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Mr. Fascell. The State Department has acted, that is clear, am I 

 correct? Was it with, or without, the concurrence of the Ad Hoc 

 Committee and the Council? That is all I am trying to find out. I 

 understood originally that it was without the recommendation of the 

 Ad Hoc Committee. 



Dr. Cain. It is without the concurrence of all the members of the 

 Ad Hoc Committee. 



Mr. Fascell. You mean some of them concurred, some of them 

 disagreed ? 



Dr. Cain. Some of them did not give a concurrence because it was 

 impossible to establish a department- wide position. 



Mr. Fascell. There was no formal action, in other words, by the 

 Ad Hoc Committee. 



That gets back to the fundamental question 



Mr. Fulton. Did you say "Yes" to that, that there was no formal 

 action by the Ad Hoc Committee ? 



Dr. Cain. I did. That is to say, the last two steps of the normal 

 machine were not consummated. 



I would like to give you a reason why I think this happened. Be- 

 cause the resolution, the Malta resolution is on the agenda of the 

 United Nations it was expected that it would come up for discussion 

 next week. When the National Marine Council met a week ago Monday, 

 the research proposal was on the agenda for discussion and could have 

 been acted on by the Council, but the meeting was confined to informa- 

 tion and discussion, with no action until November. 



The State Department and Ambassador Goldberg are subject to 

 having to discuss the ]\Ialta proposal at any moment with no ability 

 to wait unil November. The State Department has sent the position 

 paper to Ambassador Goldberg, so I have been told, without going 

 through the Council. 



Mr. Fascell. I understand. 



Dr. Cain. I think it will go through the Council in November and 

 they will probably approve. This is a time problem. I can sympathize 

 with the State Department. 



Mr. Fascell. I don't know whether it is a time problem or not. Dr. 

 Cain. It sounds like a maneuver to me, primarily because everyone 

 seems to have been caught imawares and they weren't ready for it. 

 Why? We have had the problem on the horizon for some time. We 

 ought to have been ready to deal with it. 



Mr. Fulton. Could I say something? 



I am an adviser on science and research for our U.S. mission at the 

 United Nations, and I heard nothing on it. In that other capacity you 

 see there was a bypass and that is why I am here this morning. 



Mr. Fascell. We are delighted to have you. 



That leads to one final question. Dr. Cain. It is the $64 question: 

 Wlio, what individual, came up with the idea of the research pro- 

 posal? Who is he? He can't be anonymous. 



Dr. Cain. I don't know. 



Mr. Fascell. You don't know. That is the whole point and here 

 your Department is deeply involved in a whole range of activities 

 relating to this field. 



Dr. Cain. I don't know. 



