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the administration as already taken by the State Department. It isn't 

 clear how it adds to or changes this position in any way. 



Mr. Fascell. Except for one thing, Mr. Secretary, and that is, if 

 you pass a sense resolution by the Congress you foreclose an option. 

 That may or may not be desirable. Some people think it is desirable. 



Mr. Frosch. I think the other thing I would say from a Navy point 

 of view is that some aspects of this problem go into areas of U.S. policy 

 that are well beyond the Navy's sphere of action and operation. That 

 is why we do defer to the State Department because they have more 

 general problems in foreign relations to consider than our area of 

 responsibility. 



Mr. Gross. Of course, the operating Navy must be interested moie 

 than anything else in the security and protection of this country. I 

 just don't want to find out later that you have agreed with the State 

 Department simply for the purpose of conformance and convenience. 

 We have too much of that around here. 



Mr. Frosch. Mr. Gross we have agreed with the position taken by 

 the State Department because we believe it to be the correct position. 

 It is also essentially the position which is described in the proposed 

 resolution. 



Mr. Gross. I don't quite get that from Admiral Hearn's statement. 

 I will reread it when the reporter transcribes it. 



Mr. Fascell. Mr. Secretary, in connection with the recommendation 

 process, either with respect to the Intergovernmental Oceanographic 

 Commission or with respect to, let's say, the matter that is now on 

 the agenda of the U.N.'s First Committee, what is the interagency 

 committee now called? 



Mr. Frosch. The Committee on Marine Research, Education, and 

 Facilities. 



Mr. Fascell. And it is headed by whom? I am referring to the 

 United States. 



Mr. Frosch. That is the Committee which is essentially the new 

 one that was formed when the Interagency Committee on Ocean- 

 ography was dissolved. It came about due to changes that were neces- 

 sary to conform with the new law that established the National 

 Council. 



Mr. Fascell. Would you repeat the name of this interagency com- 

 mittee ? 



Mr. Frosch. This is now the Committee on Marine Research, Edu- 

 cation, and Facilities. 



I have to be careful that we are all talking about the same commit- 

 tee. If you are referring to the one which Mr. Frelinghuysen was 

 asking about which is the one that makes recommendations on policy, 

 that was a subcommittee of the Interagency Committee on Ocean- 

 ography. 



The problem that we faced when the Interagency Committee on 

 Oceanography was dissolved and a new committee was formed be- 

 cause of the law changing the organization, was how to attach the 

 subcommittee properly into the organization. It now reports directly 

 to Mr. Pollack in the State Department who is the Director of Science 

 and Technology and who is also in charge of the Committee formed 



