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by the National Council on Marine Kesources in order to take care 

 of problems in international affairs relating to the marine science. 



Mr. Frelinghuysen. I don't like to sound any dumber than I am, 

 Mr. Secretary, but which committee reports to Mr. Pollack? 



Mr. Frosch. The Panel on International Programs and Interna- 

 tional Cooperative Organizations. 



Mr. Frelinghuysen. I thought you said it had been dissolved ? 



Mr. Frosch. The parent committee of this Panel was dissolved. 



Mr. Frelinghuysen. Wait a second. I have lost you already. 



Mr. Fascell. Will the gentleman let me pursue my original thought 

 with respect to chain of command and then perhaps we can straighten 

 it out. We start out with the National Council on Marine Science and 

 Engineering Development, established by law. Is that correct ? 



Mr. Frosch. Yes. 



Mr. Fascell. Under that you have a committee which is an inter- 

 agency committee ? 



Mr. Frosch. Let me follow that line. 



Mr. Fascell. Let's start at the top and go down. 



Mr. Frosch. We start with the National Council. The National 

 Council has established a number of committees, the committees that 

 falls in direct line for this problem is the Committee on International 

 Policies in the Marine Sciences which is chaired by Under Secretary 

 of State Kohler. 



Mr. Fascell. Does the Committee on International Policies in the 

 Marine Sciences have the responsibility for coordinating and formulat- 

 ing U.S. Government policy on oceanography and other related marine 

 problems ? 



Mr. Frosch. As it relates to international a,ffairs ; yes. 



Mr. Fascell. They have a subcommittee? 



Mr. Frosch. That is correct. They have a subcommittee which is re- 

 sponsible 



Mr. Fascell. What is the name of the subcommittee and who heads 

 it? 



Mr. Frosch. The subcommittee is chaired by Mr. William Sullivan 

 who is in the State Department 



Mr. Fascell. Former ambassador ? 



Mr. Frosch. No. The subcommittee is called the Panel on Interna- 

 tional Programs and International Cooperative Organizations. 



Mr. Fascell. Does the subcommittee have the responsibility for 

 coordinating, formulating, and recommending U.S. agency policy? 



Mr. Frosch. For recommending policy as a result of agency con- 

 sultation to the parent Committee. 



Mr. Fascell. They report to the National Council ? 



Mr. Frosch. They report to the parent Committee headed by Mr. 

 Kohler. 



Mr. Fascell. Is that the chain of command with respect to you, 

 as an Assistant Secretary, who is a delegate on the Intergovernmental 

 Oceanographic Commission, for example? Or do you have a different 

 chain of command for that purpose ? 



Mr. Frosch. For the purpose of being a delegate to the Intergovern- 

 mental Commission, the fact that I am an Assistant Secretary is in- 

 cidental. I am for that purpose an appointee of the Secretary of State 



