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Mr. Frosch. The agencies have pretty well agreed on this one, I 

 think there was no difficulty in coordinating positions because every- 

 body had about the same position. 



Mr. Fascell. Has that position been submitted to the National 

 Council and was it approved by them ? 



Mr. Frosch. It has been discussed by the National Council. 



Mr. Fascell. Not formally acted on ? 



Mr. Frosch. I believe acted on and approved. I would have to go 

 back and look at the minutes of the meeting. 



Mr. Fascell. That would be interesting if that were the case. 



Would you make the same statement with respect to the statement 

 that our representative will make at the U.N. in the First Committee? 



Mr. Frosch. I think the position that the delegation was instructed 

 to take 



Mr. Fascell. You are talking about the U.S. delegation ? 



Mr. Frosch. Yes, to the U.N., was agreed upon at least in outline 

 by the National Council. It was presented to the National Council by 

 Under Secretary Kohler and was agreed to by the Council, I say in 

 outline because he presented the substance of what the position would 

 be, not the entire document. 



Mr. Fascell. Mr. Secretary, when did that happen? This is the 

 first time that we have had this testimony. 



Mr. Frosch. I believe it was at the last meeting, or the meeting 

 before, which would have been a couple of months ago. September 

 I think. 



Mr. Fascell. That is interesting because we didn't know that this 

 matter was receiving anybody's attention at that time. As a matter 

 of fact, we heard exactly the opposite. The reason why I am pursuing 

 this line of inquiry is that there apparently has been no meeting of 

 the National Council on this subject at all. I am curious — it is a natural 

 curiosity I am sure you can understand — as to how we happen to 

 have a unified position and yet the matter has never been acted upon, 

 if such is true. 



Mr. Frosch. There was not a special meeting of the National Coun- 

 cil for the purpose. This was an agenda item 



Mr. Fascell. It was necessary to hammer out a position. A position 

 had to be discussed and agreed upon. 



Mr. Frosch. That was done at a lower level — ^the hammering out 

 of a proposed position was done at levels below the National Council 

 and the National Council agreed with the presented position. 



Mr. Fascell. Normally, in the course of events, that would be pre- 

 sented to the State Department as the U.S. position or at least a rec- 

 ommendation on the U.S. position, 



Mr, Froscpi, As it appeared at the Council it was a recommendation 

 from the Secretary of State to the Council as the result of his co- 

 ordination with the various agencies. When the Council approved it, 

 they were giving their approval back to the Secretary of State. 



Mr. Fascell. What is your recollection of the guidelines of policy 

 which were approved ? 



Mr. Frosch, I would have to go through that. I tliink some of it 

 still is regarded as classified, I would be happy to take it up in 

 executive session. 



