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Mr. Fascell. I am not really concerned at this point with the clas- 

 sified aspects of it because we will go into executive session to pursue 

 this. With the announced position which tlie Slate Department has 

 testified to and other agencies have testified to 



Mr. Frosch. The position and guidance was essentiall_y that to wliich 

 I have testified and others have testified ; namely, that we are opposed 

 to the substance of the Malta resolution. The part that I would prefer 

 not to discuss in open session are any specific positions that we might 

 want to take in o])posilion to it. 



Mr. Fascell. For example, to be specific, was there any determina- 

 tion with respect to U.S. position on a Decade of International De- 

 velopment and Research ? 



Mr. Frosch. The subject has been discussed. There was no final 

 determination. 



Mr. Fascell. Thank you. 



Are there any other questions ? 



Mr. Gross. Yes, Mr. Chairman. I am still far out at sea with re- 

 spect to the order of authority. There is a National Council. Is this 

 No. 1 ? You originally said that the Committee on International 

 Affairs was the No. 1 



Mr. Frosch. No; that is a committee that works for the National 

 Council. 



Mr. Gross. Then the National Council is the top-rated — is that 

 true or untrue ? 



]\Ir. Frosch. That is true with regard to marine science affairs. 



Mr. Gross. National Council of what ? 



Mr. Fascell. The National Council on Marine Resources and Engi- 

 neering Development. Let's use the whole title. 



Mr. Gross. This is No. 1 in the line of authority. Then No. 2 is this 

 right, is the Committee on International Affairs ? 



Mr. Frosch. Yes. 



Mr. Gross. Which has a subcommittee headed by William Sullivan 

 of the State Department. Then there is an international governmental 

 committee? 



Mr. Frosch. The Intergovernmental Oceanographic Commission is 

 not a U.S. Government object at all. It is an organ of the United 

 Nations Education and Social and Cultural Organization. 



Mr. Gross. Where does that rate in the setup of the National Coun- 

 cil and the Committee 



Mr. Frosch. It isn't part of that organization whatever. It is an 

 international organization to which the United States of America 

 sends a delegation. 



Mr. Gross. The same can be said of the International Programs 

 Committee, is that correct, that it is not a part — doesn't take any place 

 in the order^ 



Mr. Frosch. I am not sure I know what you are referring to. 



Mr. Fascell. You have come up with a new commission. 



Mr. Frosch. That is the subcommittee of the International Affairs 

 Committee. That is PIPICO. 



Mr. Frelinghuysen. What is that? 



Mr. Frosch. That is a handy way of referring to it. 



Mr. Eraser. Are those the initials ? 



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