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The shortsightedness comes from the old case of penny wise, pound 

 foolish. On the one hand the United States goes devoting much atten- 

 tion to the development of the 50 States, and on the other hand we are 

 trying to cut short development by decreasing the maintenance of 

 harbors. 



That same paragraph notes that many of our major cities are coastal 

 cities, and it is no accident of history that many of our major cities 

 are coastal cities. Water has something to do with it. 



If we cease to maintain and to dredge the major ports of this coun- 

 try, we will tend to worsen all the problems that this country now has. 

 We address ourselves more to the problems of the cities, the urban 

 problems. 



Let us take, for example, the case of New York. Say that we only 

 maintained New York and one other port on the Atlantic coast. What 

 a tremendous influx of population and industry would again center in 

 the Northeast. 



I think that this statement needs a continual debunking, that it 

 needs a lot more study. 



In that same paragraph it mentions the fact that in the future pack- 

 aged cargoes, oil cargoes and container cargoes will all find their sep- 

 arate ways to the world. 



This is quite erroneous. It is not true. 



Speaking from the standpoint of a port authority, we can see in the 

 future perhaps a great number of ports developing as container ports. 

 We do not believe, for example, that you can designate a port like 

 Baltimore as a container port, and expect all the cargo from the South- 

 east to move through that port. 



This kind of folly can really tend to not cure the economic ills of 

 this country, but to foster them. 



I vvould like on this occasion, and any other occasion, to debunk 

 this statement, and will be glad to do it in more detail. 



Dr. Adams. Thank j'^ou very much, Mr, Tobias. 



Mr. Quarles. 



Mr. Quarles. I will try to respond briefly, because my reference 

 to this example was meant primarily to be illustrative rather than to 

 focus on this particular case. 



But what I would strongly urge is the overall importance of plan- 

 ning to meet large community needs, not necessarily the needs of an 

 individual town or an individual city. 



Your reference to Baltimore, for example. New York, and so forth, 

 does refer to major cities. How far it would make sense to go in terms 

 of trying to develop large-scale port facilities in cities of that size, or 

 slightly smaller cities is certainly not a question that I am prepared to 

 comment upon. 



This perhaps illustrates the desirability of leaving the final decisions 

 as to particular uses to the States, rather than trying to hit them from 

 the Federal level. But there is a need to do this from an overall point 

 of view. 



Now, I think closely related to this is the need for dialog between 

 Dr. Sessums' assessment and their reference to preservation or not of 

 marine habitat. 



In view of the dredging and fill permit orders of the Corps of 

 Engineers, the Department of the Interior is required under the Fish 



