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I think any other comments will have to wait until panel 4 complete 

 their presentation. I would like to thank the members of panel 3. 

 We will take a 5 -minute break at this point. 

 (Brief recess.) 



Panel 4 — Federal and State Roles in the Coastal Zone 



moderator 



Thomas A. Clingan, Jr., Counsel, Oceanography Subcommittee, 

 Merchant Marine and Fisheries Committee. 



PANELISTS 



Alfred A. Porro, Esq., attorney at law, Lyndhurst, N.J. ; Charles 

 F. Schwan, Jr., Washington, D.C. ; Edwin T. Haefele, Resources for 

 the Future, Washington, D.C. 



Mr. Clingan. Ladies and gentlemen, would you be seated, please? 



In the face of an emergency, I am going to press myself into service 

 as a moderator for this Panel on Federal and State Roles in the Coastal 

 Zone. 



As you all know, this is a matter of considerable interest to the com- 

 mittee, and one of the crucial questions that will have to be answered 

 before we can proceed with any kind of a gainful management system. 



Before introducing the members of the panel, I would like to clar- 

 ify one point in case there is any doubt in your minds. That is with 

 respect to the draft of legislation that is here in this room today. 



Let me assure you that this is not a hearing on Mr. Lennon's bill in 

 any way. It is out for discussion. I don't vvant anyone in the room to 

 feel compelled that he has to speak for the bill or against the bill. 



As a matter of fact, it is not even a bill at this point. Should it 

 become a bill in the future, it will go through the usual legislative 

 process and regular hearings will be held on it at that time. An 

 appropriate time will be given for anyone who wants to speak for 

 or against that particular legislation. 



Our purpose here is to exchange information. So please don't feel 

 that you have to speak for or against any draft legislation that is in 

 this room. 



Now we will proceed to our panel. 



I would like to introduce to you first Mr. Alfred A. Porro, Esq., 

 attorney at law, from Lyndhurst, N.J. 



STATEMENT OF ALFRED A. PORRO, ESQ., ATTORNEY AT LAW, 



LYNBHURST, N.J. 



Mr. PoRRo. Thank you very much. It is certainly a pleasure to be 

 here. 



I am usually given the job of being brought to conferences primarily 

 involving State representatives, because somebody has to be the unpop- 

 ular guy, and that is usually me. My views are not the popular views 

 usually, and, as a matter of fact, this is not the first time that the mod- 

 erator didn't show up when Al Porro as going to be on the panel. 



_ I am going to be as frank as I possibly can be with regard to my 

 views, and I will warn you right now, know me as Al Porro, because 



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