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Mr. King. I do believe that you mentioned California, Massachu- 

 setts, and Rhode Island. 



Mr. PoRRO. And even that backfired. 



Mr. King. I think Dr. Linton this morning- laid out Xorth Caro- 

 lina's policy and the processes by which they are endeavoring- to pass 

 legislation "in the State legislature for the Coastal Zone Authority of 

 the State of North Carolina. 



You say that voluntary grants or voluntary legislation by the Fed- 

 eral Government is not good or would not work, I believe was your 

 wording. You did pass lightly over the Federal Water Pollution Con- 

 trol Act which I am sure you are well aware of has grants to induce 

 the States to act in water pollution matters. 



It also has enforcement procedures. I might go along with you this 

 far, that if this legislation being proposed was to include some type of 

 enforcement for those States that don't want to act, that would be one 

 thing. However, from the turnout here today, I think that the majority 

 of States certainh/, and more so with the national exposure of our 

 water problems, are acting on their own. 



So I would not want to upstage this enforcement. I think we should 

 minimize it. 



However, I would like to see it stated in there. 



Also, you mentioned that the Federal agencies could better control or 

 better aid the local-State problems in the water area. I think if we just 

 take problems like coastal zone land ownership of wet lands, marsh 

 lands, submerged lands, and what not, zoning and all these other prob- 

 lems, certainly the manpower of tlie Federal Establishment would have 

 to be doubled to handle what the States are able to do on their own. 



Thank you. 



Mr. PoRRO. I v:ould like to say, Tom, that tliat is exactly what the 

 details of the proposal set forth. They are analogous to the type of 

 structure that is set up in the Water Resources Act, analogous to the 

 type of enforcement provisions in the Clean Water Act, which, basic- 

 ally, give the State the option to go ahead, and if they do not follow 

 certain guidelines gives the Federal Government or the Federal struc- 

 ture the teeth. 



What I am saying is that there are no real teeth in a proposal that 

 just says "Do you want to participate?" That would exclude States 

 like California. That would exclude States like North Carolina. 



Without any question, that is the type of proposal that I was 

 speaking to. 



Mr. King. I didn't get a chance to read your full paper here. I just 

 glanced over it. But I can say as someone introduced me in Miami 

 as being in ocean law, the reason for that is that all mv grades were 

 below "C level." 



Mr. Clingan. Very good. 



Mr. Pankowski. In going through the material that was prepared 

 by the Commission, I have to admit that I was a bit confused when 

 we talk about the coastal zones whether we mean the land, the water, 

 or both all mixed up together. 



I would like to know whether the zoning requirements which the 

 States would have to set up would merely be extensions of the zoning 

 which now takes place on land. 



