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The reason I ask this question is I think the common man in the 

 street recognizes that in most areas of this country we have brutalized 

 the land something terrible. 



In going through this report, the distinct impression is given that 

 what is left of a most precious resource is going to be brutalized in like 

 manner. If tliis question could be ansM^ered, I think you could at least 

 point the direction. 



Mr. Clingan. Mr. Schwan? 



Mr. ScpiWAN. I don't know that I can answer a question as to what 

 the Commission would propose. I don't think there is anjrthing wrong 

 with the concept of zoning. Its application may be greatly desired. 

 But what would you substitute as a concept? 



Mr. Pankowski. I believe you can start, Mr. Chairman, by recog- 

 nizing the water resources for what they are, literally irreplaceable. 



When we talk about a report which seems to have accommodated 

 the interests of developments such as housing which can be located 

 elsewhere and for which alternatives are available, then I in particu- 

 lar am not only disturbed but apprehensive about the system of man- 

 agement that we are going to set up which treats all resources and all 

 uses as if they were equally valid, regardless of their nature, regardless 

 of their availability. 



Mr. Clingan. Mr. Porro? 



Mr. PoKRO. I think I have said enough. 



Mr. ScHWAX. Let me add one more word. I don't know that the 

 Commission has suggested that all uses were equal ; on the other hand, 

 there are uses — a gentleman a moment ago spoke for ports. Ports have 

 to be located on bodies of water. There are water-related uses which 

 have to be accommodated and which in the process may do some harm 

 to the ecosystems about which words have been spoken. 



I think any good management system would locate to the extent pos- 

 sible housing or other uses which can be accommodated elsewhere, 

 would locate elsewhere, would do whatever possible to preserve the 

 ecosystems, to enhance them. 



On the other hand, I think we have to recognize that there are certain 

 uses which are so closely related to the water, so dependent in being on 

 the water that we simply have to accommodate them also. 



I should guess that most people in attendance here are — ^to use an 

 old cliche — conservation oriented. More power to them. 



We have raped the land, the water and the natural resources. There 

 is not much question about it. But I don't think we can accommodate 

 the population explosion, the affluence to which all of us are accustomed, 

 unless we recognize that some of these uses which may not be in accord 

 with the ecosystems are going to be employed in the coastal zone. 



Mr. Clingax. We have time for one more question. 



Mr. William Stoll. I would like to address my words of wisdom 

 to both Mr. Porro and Mr. Schwan. 



In Texas, the Governor has created an interagency national resources 

 council. One of the first tasks of this council has been to initiate a 

 coastal planning program for our States. 



One very important reason for this was that the State of Texas owns 

 414 million acres of submerged tidelands, beaches and islands. 



The Governor, prior to this action, would usually designate a par- 



