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delivery system may be useful to those who are developing a coastal 

 zone grant program. 



It might also be useful to throw out some thoughts on what a Federal 

 coastal zone agency should be, what its characteristics should be, re- 

 gardless of where it is located. 



In breadth of interest, it should not be just, or primarily, a natural 

 resource preservation agency, or just or primarily a resource develop- 

 ment or exploitation agency, but rather it should combine develop- 

 ment and preservation responsibilities. 



Second, while it should have research and planning functions, prob- 

 ably it should be a line or operating agency rather than primarily a 

 research or planning agency. 



And third, it should have, or have the capability of developing, 

 working relationships with the States, preferably with the Governors 

 and the key State agencies which many of you gentlemen represent. 



These first two criteria may suggest to some the Interior Depart- 

 ment. 



In addition, I expect it would be very useful for the Federal resi- 

 dence for this program to have some sort of an interagency mechan- 

 ism, a meeting place for all the Federal agencies already involved and 

 probably will continue to be involved in the coastal zone. 



This last point suggests that there are at least two interdepartmental 

 units in the Federal Government that should be looked at. One is the 

 Marine Resources Council itself. And the other, of course, is the Water 

 Resources Council, which we heard about yesterday and which prob- 

 ably more than any other Federal unit or agency already has, through 

 its title III grant program, the basic authorities that the coastal zone 

 management act envisages. 



The Water Resources Council does not have the authority to make 

 grants to the States for implementing plans. But it does have author- 

 ity and indeed is making grants to the States for planning for water 

 and related land resources including the coastal zone. 



And then, of course, although I am reluctant ot use the term "com- 

 prehensive planning" after our last speaker for R.F.F. yesterday with 

 his definitions, there is already a Federal program of assistance to the 

 States for comprehensive planning. HUD's "section 701" planning 

 grants provide two-thirds Federal money which the bulk of the States 

 are using, virtually all, as a matter of fact including California for its 

 marine and coastal zone plan as we heard yesterdy. 



I will stop here, Mr. Chairman, to leave time for discussion. There 

 hasn't been nearly enough yet on this question. Thank you. 



Dr. Alexander. Thank you. You may have unwittingly started a 

 new cliche. When you say, "No" to these departments often enough, 

 it becomes NOAA. 



Our third speaker is Col. Leonard Goodsell, who spent 30 years in 

 the Army Corps of Engineers and since 1965 has been executive direc- 

 tor of the Great Lakes Commission. He has a B.S. in engineering from 

 Yfest Virginia University and a M.S. from the University of Iowa 

 and represents the Great Lakes compact of eight States with their 

 commission offices on the campus of the LTniversity of Michigan at 

 Ann Arbor, Mich. 



