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Ladies and gentlemen, there you have it. 



As you can see, we have not designed a research program for a typi- 

 cal coastal zone laboratory, but then I don't think that was our assign- 

 ment, or at least, as directors of laboratories and programs, we realize 

 how futile and unwise that might have been. 



I think, rather, there has been presented a considerable body of 

 guidelines and philosophy which will be useful in the development of 

 such specific research programs. 



I don't know how many are anxious to participate in discussion or 

 raise questions. Apparently we have about run out of time. One as- 

 sumption I can make is that each and every one of you has something 

 you wanted to say, or else you would not have stayed until the end, or 

 I could assume that you were here solely because you wanted to hear 

 what Bob Abel had to say about money. 



I wonder, Mr. Clingan, if it would be in order to ask for a showing 

 of hands of how many people would like to participate in the discus- 

 sion or raise questions and suggest that any long statements might be 

 submitted for the record. 



Is that all right, Tom, and hear at least brief statements or questions ? 



How many are anxious to ask questions ? 



I see only four hands. W& ought to be able to take care of all of them. 



Would you identify yourself ? 



Please go to the microphone. 



Dr. Xelson Marshall. I am Nelson Marshall, from the University 

 of Rhode Island. 



I feel as though Bob Abel was outvoted by the first two speakers 

 in terms of a certain neglect, because they talked so much about the 

 science and teclniical, and I recall one or two statements which are 

 essentially that maybe we should have a little nontechnical work along 

 with it. 



I think it has to be a lot more than "maybe." I think we all should 

 look, in order to appreciate this point, at some of the studies that have 

 come out in the past years, like the hurricane barrier studies of Nar- 

 ragansett Bay, in which the economic dimensions of the study were 

 very superficial, and very unsophisticated, and would not stand up at 

 all today in terms of the kind of scrutiny given by resource econo- 

 mists. I think you can cite many other subjects like that. 



We have a Steering Committee on Aquaculture in the New England 

 Regional Commission. This committee, on which I serve has essentially 

 refused to proceed with teclmological studies of aquaculture unless 

 they are strongly concurrently blended with the social, economic, 

 legal, and political aspects of the problem. 



This is not because I sit up and holler about it. This is a view that 

 has been evolving within this group. 



Now, there has been a lot said in the last 2 days about university- 

 oriented work. The breadth that we are talking about here, and that 

 Bob Abel talked about, is possible in a university system, or in a strong 

 affiliation with a university system. I think this is one of the main 

 reasons we have talked about university-oriented work, university- 

 oriented laboratories. 



There is another problem. One of the reasons universities are 

 strong — I hof)e that they are considered strong — in that there is an 

 independence of research spirit in a university, and yet we are talking 



