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about jobs to be done. Thus there is a difficulty in sustaining the inde- 

 pendence and still getting at the job. 



I think in considering coastal research laboratories we should ad- 

 dress ourselves to this question. I think one of the ways of accomplish- 

 ing this, in my own personal opinion, but I guess widely shared, is to 

 be sure that the universities make a strong commitment to these ])ro- 

 grams, so that the workers there feel that they are not obligated to 

 follow set, directed patterns. 



This requires a certain limited mass of workers in order to be able to 

 allow for this independence, and still by some guidance get on with the 

 desired programs. 



Dr. Fye. Thank you, Dr. Marshall. 



Dr. Breslov. 



Mr. Llotd Breslov. I am Lloyd Breslov of the Coast Guard. 



I would like to ask Dr. Hargis what he meant when he said develop- 

 ment of firefighting capability. 



Dr. Fye. Dr. Hargis. 



Dr. Hargis. Firefighting capability in this instance is in quotes, 

 and it refers to this type of semiscientific or quasi-scientific activity 

 that comes up if somebody called and said, "I have a bed of oysters 

 dying. Come up and tell me what is wrong." 



It did not refer to putting out fires as fires, but only economic and 

 political and sociological and semiscientific fires. 



Mr. Breslov. I was wondering. I think of things in terms of short- 

 term and long-term things, again search and rescue type of firefighting 

 tasks, and disaster control such as oil spills. You did not have tliat in 

 mind. 



Dr. Hargis. That is correct. 



If I might, Mr. Chairman, comment briefly. Dr. Marshall and some 

 of the other speakers have stressed university arrangements, and I 

 think this is of course worthwhile, because a great deal, perhaps most 

 outside of the Federal laboratories, is being done within this context. 



I would say, however, that for the first level coastal zone scientific 

 advisory system, it is essential that it be identified, that it be viable, 

 that it not be up to the whims of some administrator as to whether 

 or not it is going to survive. 



Therefore, it would seem to me that it would be likely an institute 

 type of arrangement, either outside of and affiliated with or inside of 

 the university teams, but identified, viable, and permanently funded, 

 and available to the management people. 



Mr. Breslov. Thank you. 



Dr. Fye. I saw four more hands. 



I would like to ask you to be concise and brief in your rem.arks, and 

 submit longer ones for the record, if you would like. 



Mr. Stephen Kelley. Steve Kellej^, from the city of New York. 



I would like to ask Dr. Yye to continue with his opening remarks and 

 amplify his thinking on the criteria for the establishment of the 

 coastal zone laboratory. 



Dr. Fye. Thank you very much for the opportunity. I wish that 

 we had time to do it. 



I would enjoy doing it. I don't think I should take the time from 

 the people on the floor who would like to participate. 



I think the ideas are developing very well. If I may, I will talk 



