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XOAA. That is very^ simple. Put the Corps of Engineers in NOAA, 

 as Senator Muskie did in his bill. 



This whole concept of coastal zone management authority I think 

 is different from these other things we have been talking about, because 

 here we have the necessity to arrange the political machinery for eval- 

 uation as between multiple uses, and you cannot do this on the Federal 

 level. You cannot do it on the State level. You cannot do it on a local 

 level. You have to get a mix, so that the political influence of all three 

 of those levels is entered in fully, and this is not easy, because all of 

 these units are made up of people, and people are just impossible to get 

 along with. 



One of the things we have quite successfully experimented with in 

 California is this Bsij Conservation Development Council. I think 

 if you people will look into that, you will see that there has been a very 

 good pragmatic working operation for the San Francisco Bay area. 



There has been an incredible political problem that has been handled 

 quite well, and, in looking over that from our own standpoint in Cali- 

 fornia, while thinking very highly of that, even BCDC agrees that 

 their form of organization is not probably the one for other areas of 

 California, much less other areas of the country. 



These have to be tailored for both circumstances and all of the local 

 political influences mitigated, moderated, and integrated into the 

 system, and I think that the idea of a coastal management authority 

 of a single nature with respect to any particular State is not a very 

 good one. In some places it is required that several States be involved. 



In California, I am certain we will have to have three or four of 

 these things. 



Dr. Fte. Thank you. Dr. Chapman. 



Sir, will you give your name ? 



Mr. Robert S. Krueger. Robert Krueger. I am from California. I 

 am also a member of the commission of which Mr. Chapman is the 

 chairman. 



I just wanted to make one comment regarding a point brought up by 

 Harris Stewart. 



He said, and I believe rightly so, that the coastal zone includes the 

 Continental Shelf. This is functionally the definition. The proposed 

 bill, however, would limit the coastal zone to the territorial sea, or 

 the property within the State boundaries, so this would exclude por- 

 tions of the Continental Shelf. This is also true of Senator Magnuson's 

 bill. 



It may be that you would wish to give consideration to an amend- 

 ment to include certain areas of the Continental Shelf in the coastal 

 zone in some areas, such as California. 



Thank you. 



Dr. Fye. Thank you. Bud. 



I think perhaps we have exhausted our time, Mr. Clingan, and I will 

 turn the session back to you. 



Mr. Clingan". Thank you, Dr. Fye. I am very grateful to you and to 

 your panel for your comments. The meeting will now adjourn, and we 

 will reconvene here at 2 p.m. 



(Whereupon, at 12 :30 p.m., the conference adjourned, to reconvene 

 at 2 p.m., the same day.) 



