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to anticipate the problems so tliat measures cv.n he taken in a.-b/iince 

 to alleviate them. 



We have had a long and successful record of cooperation with other 

 Federal agencies, the States, universities, industry, and public groups. 

 Our relationships with the Navy and the State Department have l>een 

 especially close. The Department of Transportation, through the 

 Coast Guard, has been extremely helpful in monitoring fishing oper- 

 ations off our coast and in enforcing fishery regulations. 



The Department of Commerce and the Department of the Interior 

 have many joint marine programs which reinforce the capabilities of 

 both agencies. We cooperate with KASA, AEC, NSF, Smithsonian 

 Institution, and other specialized Federal agencies and maintain close 

 working relations with the States as well. Altogether, Interior has 

 been a leader in marine affairs and interagency cooperation for many 

 years. 



Turning to the specifics of the report of the Commission on Marine 

 Science, Engineering and Resources, the organizational recommenda- 

 tions in chapter 7 have attracted widespread attention. The Commis- 

 sion report abounds with references to the National Oceanographic 

 and Atmospheric Agency (NOAA), as if the Commission had, in 

 fact, decided that creation of a new agency was imperative. 



Actually, Dr. Strattcn has said several times that the Commission 

 recognized that the res^^onsibility for civilian ocean affairs midit be 

 delegated to an existin;r ageiicy, but thrt this solution wntild require 

 niaior reorp-anizat^on. and that reora;anization of any existing- ag-ency 

 which had statutory responsibility for nonmarine matters was beyond 

 the terms of reference of the commission, 



I think it will be wise to consider whether a new agency is really 

 necessary. To us it appears to separate resource programs which had 

 better be grouped together. If this Nation is to be successful in solv- 

 ing the complex problems of the environment, it should take the total 

 environmental approach in its programs and in its organization, and 

 not separate the ocean and the atmosphere from the land and fresh 

 waters. 



In sum.mary, I know I do not need to repeat my own co]icern for 

 management of our coastal areas. I am equally sure that all of jou 

 fully share that concern. Development and implementation of sound 

 programs for management of these pressure resources will require a 

 long period of devoted work. I hope that this program in Washington 

 will spur you on in undertaking that v*"ork and in achieving successful 

 results which are so important to the future of this country. 



Thank you verj much. 



Dr. Chapman. Thank you ver}^ much, Mr. Train, for a very inter- 

 esting presentation. 



"V\niat we are now going to do is open the floor to questions and com- 

 ments, hoping to have enough time to handle everybody. There is a 

 picture that will be shown when we complete our session this afternoon 

 for those hardy souls who still wish to participate, but I would much 

 rather have an active and lively discussion this afternoon than see 

 moving pictures myself. 



We will now entertain any comments or questions from the floor, 

 but before doing so, I have a comment or two to make myself. 



As a good many of you know, I spend about a third of my tim.e on 



