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tain zone, the Southeastern States, or vchat have you, you should expect 

 to find all Federal agencies exercising their functional roles in this area. 



The identification of interfaces and the need for coordination does 

 not necessarily carry ^vith it the conviction that these problems should 

 be resolved by changing basic functions. It may carry with it tiie con- 

 viction that these interfaces are important enough and you need a basis 

 of coordination. You have to then ask, are there coordinating devices 

 around ? Are they adequate for the job ? 



If we are going to make them more adequate, give them more author- 

 ity. At the State level, I think most people Avould say that the Delaware- 

 type commission certainly has more authority to get things done than 

 the River Basin Plannning Commission, but it also requires a certain 

 p^mount of sovereignty and tying of many, many pieces together in a 

 difi'erent, unconventional way. It creates tremendous problems in orga- 

 nization, or it could create thera. 



So the question is not an easy one to answer. I vv'ould answer it tliis 

 wa.j : If, indeed, the interrelationships in any geographical part of the 

 country are important enough to put in geographic schemes super- 

 imposed upon a functiona.1 organization, then the answer is yes. But 

 you have to consider the implications of that question. 



Thank you. 



Dr. Chapman. I would like to comment on this before asking for 

 another volunteer. 



One of the more vigorous aspects of F.S. industry is that if a division 

 or activity is not making a profit, not working very well, it gets reorga- 

 nized, just on the general principle of "Shake the boys up, change them 

 around, something better might happen.'' 



This goes on time and again. If the apparatus still does not work, it 

 gets changed again. 



My point is that the executive braiich of the U.S. Government is not 

 working and has not worked eifectively in respect to the use of the 

 ocean. I think it ought to be shaken up ver}'^ thoroughly. 



Mr. Tribus. This question of how to bo organized to relate to the 

 problems of our societ}^ puts me in mind of a new toy they have for 

 children to prepare them for adult life. No matter how you assemble 

 it, it is wrong. 



No matter how we visualize to organize this Government to respond 

 to the problems that are posed by the coastal zone or any other zone, 

 we run iiito the fact that from one point of view it is going to loolc 

 right and from anotlier point of view it is going to look wrong, so 

 no matter how we organize, we also have to develop some coordinating 

 mechanism. There isn't any way out of that. 



Then that leads j^ou to the question : Why would anybody want to 

 organize around the coastal zone, the coastal zone management area of 

 some sort ? I think there are some good reasons to sugg-est. 



As you can see from my remarks, I am talking about starting from 

 what the problem is and building up an organization and a response 

 to it that reflects the needs, and seeing where we get. Form follows 

 function philosophy. 



First of all, when I think of a coastal zone, I think of some adjacent 

 land area and I think of going out to sea a distance. I don't want to 

 talk about managing the interface only. There is nothing to that inter- 

 face. It is a little bit behind the land and somewhat out to sea. We 



