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you qualify for assistance, assistance from the economic development 

 authority. I know it is a beautiful State, but not too prosperous. 



Perhaps you can get help from EDA. I am not saying that they have 

 money specifically for this purpose. It turns out, though, that funds 

 have been made available for them for economic developments. 



Some of those funds, as I pointed out, have been for the develop- 

 ment of various things along the seacoast. 



Dr. CHAPMAisr. I think really the answer to his question is there are 

 a number of programs from which States can and do get assistance in 

 this respect. It really just happens presently that there isn't very much 

 money in any of them. 



EDA, I think, is a little bit better off. 



Presently, we can't get money into these ocean-oriented and coastal- 

 oriented projects. That is the big problem. 



Mr. Edwards. I am sure we all want to express appreciation for all 

 the high echelon department people and scientists who helped make 

 this such a great success. It has been a great educational thing for me. 



Dr. Chapman. Thank you, sir. 



Mr. William Hargis. I am representing the State of Virginia and 

 I am also chairman of the Council of Maritime States, Common- 

 wealths and Territories. 



I am sure that many of us are aware that the States have similar 

 problems as the Federal Govermiient is facing right now when they 

 consider the question of will there or will there not be a single agency 

 within the State that has responsibility over marine affairs or, in this 

 case, coastal zone affairs. 



I don't know that all of us will come to the same conclusions. I doubt 

 that any of us will develop full executive State authorities or offices 

 at the cabinet level. 



We will, however, probably approach it from a point of view of 

 some coordination with the Federal Government. 



I can't offer much illumination beyond that on solution of the Fed- 

 eral Goveriunent's problem. I can concur with the gentleman from 

 Oregon. Thatis that until NOAA floats, if it ever does, we would like 

 to have identified a source or some major source within the Federal 

 Government. 



We would like even more importantly to have sufficient funds appro- 

 priated to these activities from which we can draw, with ample State 

 support — and the States have to support this. I think these things have 

 to come along before the Federal coordination problems are solved, if 

 they ever will be. We need people with ideas, with will and with 

 energy, and we need support. 



We need support for personnel. We need support for facilities. We 

 need money. Congress must, the Executive must, provide these things 

 if we are really going to get moving. This is not just a problem of re- 

 search. It is a problem of trying to deal with real problems, real people, 

 real industries, and in a real time frame. We are losing ground. 



I think the best thing this group could do would be to follow Dr. 

 Chapman's theme : Money, support, and some identification of avenues. 



Dr. Chapman. Is there any other speaker ? 



Mr. Jones. I am from New Hampshire. 



I would like to correct the record, Mr. Chairman. We have 18 miles 



