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of coastline, and we are trying to cooperate with our sister States of 

 Massachusetts and Maine to get some type of coordinating effort. 



I would specifically like to address the group in the sense that we 

 have just constructed a laboratory called the Jackson Estuarine Lab- 

 oratory, largely with National Science Foundation funds. We have 40 

 to 50 highly qualified professors in the area of science and technology. 

 One of my jobs in coming to Washington, in addition to this meet- 

 ing, is to try to obtain funding for the laboratory as a whole. 



To thread one's way through the mystic maze of all the various agen- 

 cies in Washington that do provide support in this area is confusing 

 and very time consuming. 



I think we would be way ahead in the areas of State support and 

 university support if some central agency could clear these types of 

 programs rather than having many overlapping areas, and particularly 

 in the area of basic research, in understanding of the various processes 

 taking place in estuarine and ocean phenomena. 



Dr. Chapman. Gentlemen, you are all very busy men. We have done 

 very well to hold you here for this length of time, but this is all you 

 have signed on for. 



You have four or five more questioners. 



We will take 10 more minutes. 



Make it short and come on. 



Mr. CuLBERTSOisr. It seems to me that the reason that we have failed 

 at some of these things is because we are not set up properly. We are 

 talking about coastal zones here. Many of these fish that we have to 

 manage and take care of are not native to any of the States, but they 

 are migratory. I speak first of the great sardine resource of California 

 that yvQ have lost. It used to go all the way up into British Columbia. 

 We have a similar resource on the Atlantic and on the Gulf. They are 

 not native to &nj States. Thej^ don't lend themselves to study like they 

 should because of that. 



On Federal responsibilities, we are talking about coastal manage- 

 ment. I don't know that you have the same problem. The coasts will 

 still be there, but these resources, some of them, will not be there. If 

 we had taken care of these two that I am speaking of, they, today^ 

 could be producing over four billion pounds of fish. That is as much as 

 we are producing all together. Just an an illustration, I was associated 

 for many years with Alaska. The coastline there is just as great as it 

 is in all of the United States. The management of coastal areas there 

 was divided into a dozen or more districts. They were under the same 

 jurisdiction. You didn't have to get permission from some State down 

 the line to study or manage these resources. 



It seems to me that we need to get a better base from which to 

 operate. I don't know that that is the problem here. But I wanted to 

 mention that. 



I think certainly the coastal management of the fisheries is cer- 

 tainly very important. 



Dr. Chapmajst. Thank you. 



Mr. Eat Lennon. Dr. Chapman, I am chairman of the Texas 

 House of Representatives Interim Study Committee on Oceanogra- 

 phy, I am not an oceanographer or scientist, I am a businessman. 



All I hear is problems here. I came looking for some solutions. 

 Somebody has to be the head man someplace. At some point m time 



