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it appears there should be national policy. I haven't been associated 

 with oceanography for an extended period of time. But all I hear is 

 problems, problems. 



With this mass of intelligence that is here, it would appear that 

 somebody would say specifically: "This is what we ought to do." It 

 may be a wrong course at some point in time, but you can always 

 correct your course, I find. But I haven't seen a great deal of movement 

 here. It appears there either has to be an agency or a coordinating 

 agency so that we can find out from these people what you can do 

 back in your State and how you can be funded. If you have to go 

 to one, then two, then three, right down the line, hunting like in blind 

 man's bluff, I don't know how you can ever get out of this quagmire. 



But it appears to me, as a businessman, that somebody has to make 

 a decision and stop restating the same problems over and over again. 

 That is all I heard. I saw you at the MTS conference at Miami and 

 heard the same thing. I heard the same people, or a number of them, 

 stating the same problem. You are iDacktalking to one another again. 



I hope I don't offend anybody. This might be in bad form. Some- 

 body ought to make a decision either in the legislative or the executive 

 branch of the Government. These people here ought to try to press 

 for a decision and offer specific solutions instead of reiterating the 

 same problems. 



Dr. Chapman. Sir, I would just like to call your attention that you 

 will have a copy of the hearings sent to you of last night, and you 

 will see some recommendations that I made, and my own difficulty 

 is I can't get people to adopt them. 



Mr. Lennon. I would like to try them on for size. 



Mr. Harold Bissell. I am representing Governor Reagan and the 

 Lieutenant Governor today. The Lieutenant Governor has already 

 appeared before the subcommitee and has testified concerning the bill 

 that would establish NOAA. I have a statement that I will not read. 

 I would like to make a few comments. 



I will quote some of the Governor's message that he gave to the 

 legislature when he set up last winter a department of navigation 

 and ocean development in California. Among other things he said 

 "I propose the Department of Navigation and Ocean Development 

 would have the continuing responsibility for implementation of this 

 plan." 



Then he goes on to say "The Department of Navigation and Ocean 

 Development will be the key to California's ocean future." 



The report, "Our Nation and the Sea", calls for coastal manage- 

 ment, which would provide policy objectives for the coastal zone and 

 authorize Federal grants in aid to facilitate the establishment of 

 coastal zone authorities empowered to manage the coastal zones. 



The re]3ort goes on to state that "The key functions will be to coordi- 

 nate plans for uses of coastal waters and adjacent lands". 



California has its department, the navigation and ocean develop- 

 ment, or as of November 11, it will be effective, and there no doubt 

 will be Federal legislation creating the coastal zone management act. 



In California, the Department of Navigation and Ocean Develop- 

 ment has been designated by the administration to be the coastal 

 zone authority. We feel the coastal zone authority should be an arm 

 of the executive branch of the Government, responsible in a direct line 



