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ance they need under an existing coordinated program, rather than 

 setting it up under law such as Mr. Miller's bill would do. 



I am thinking in terms of whether or not the Interagency Commit- 

 tee is sufficiently organized to be recognized so there will be a louder 

 voice in response to the need of some of these educational institutions 

 as against the situation if it were established under law, such as this 

 bill would do, in which case there possibly would be an organization 

 where the needs could be better recognized and appraised and 

 promoted. 



Would you comment whether the present Interagency Committee 

 is sufficiently organized to help out in the needs of the educational 

 institutions in the training of young scientists ? 



Mr. Wakelin. As you know, Mr. Pelly, we have a panel of the 

 committee which is concerned with training and education. The 

 chairman of the panel is a member from the Department of Health, 

 Education, and Welfare. We have considered at some length the 

 dual problem of training and facilities. It is not very feasible to 

 bring in large groups unless additional shore facilities and educational 

 facilities are provided. 



The facilities problem relating to training was considered at some 

 length, in fact in great detail, by our committee before the fiscal 1962 

 budget was assembled. We agreed that both training and facilities 

 were areas in which we needed great help. We have increased our 

 request for facilities substantially over last year. 



However, in answer to your question about whether a group such 

 as the ICO or a statutory group would have a greater effect in im- 

 plementing training and facilities, I am not entirely clear, because 

 each of the operating agencies at present would still have to contain 

 within its budget the request for training and facilities as is now the 

 case in the ICO, unless there is another mechanism envisioned in the 

 bill which I have not seen. 



Mr. Chairman, is it not true that the operating agencies would 

 still be those concerned with the budgetary process in your bill, H.R. 



Mr. Miller. That is true. 



Mr. Pelly. In other words, it would just have legal status and it 

 would not really change the effectiveness of the program, as you see it? 



Mr. Wakelin. In these two areas ; yes, sir. 



Mr. Pelly. I must say I think all of us who have even a superficial 

 knowledge of what has been going on feel a great sense of gratitude 

 to the Navy for the emphasis it has given to this program. I do 

 not know what the country would have done if it had not been for 

 that. I know many of us on this committee would like to help in any 

 way we can in getting additional facilities and increasing the number 

 of students in this field. As evidence of this, we have the bill before 

 us now. Perhaps it should be changed somewhat. I know the chair- 

 man of this subcommittee is vitally interested in this subject, and 

 we want to give the bill all the study and consideration we can because 

 of the need which exists. 



Mr. Chairman, I have no more questions, but I would like again to 

 express my personal gratitude to the Navy, and also gratification 

 that m your testimony you have pointed up the need which I have 

 seen m my own district. 



