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Mr. Miller. Mr. Pelly, as far as the bill itself is concerned, it is 

 merely a vehicle. I am not tied to anything which is in it. 



Mr. Wakelin. May I make a comment, Mr. Chairman? I ap- 

 preciate very deeply the kind remarks you and Mr. Pelly have made 

 in my behalf. However, the Interagency Committee on Oceanography 

 is truly a group effort. I want to relay, if I may, your comments to 

 them, and I would like you to make them in their behalf as well as 

 mine, because we have a wonderful coordinating and mutually respect- 

 ing group, and they have done a marvelous job. Perhaps I may be 

 taking more credit than is my due, and I am afraid I have in your 

 eyes. 



Mr. Pelly. A high percentage of research dollarwise has been fos- 

 tered by the Navy, whereas the other members of the agency did not 

 have the money to do it. I simply express appreciation that the 

 Navy's efforts have been of a practical nature so organizations like 

 Scripps and others could carry on. 



Mr. Wakelin. We are particularly fortunate, Mr. Pelly, in having 

 Admiral Stephan as the hydrographer of the Navy. He has done a 

 marvelous job in pulling our efforts together and in the Navy creat- 

 ing a new look at all of our oceanographic responsibilities. I think 

 he has done a perfectly magnijficent job. 



Mr. Pelly. I think we have some very dedicated souls. As Mr. 

 Miller has previously said, if you could count on the same personnel 

 always being there, I do not think he or others would have concern 

 about translating that into law. 



Mr. Miller. May I say, Mr. Secretary, when I paid you and the 

 committee the compliment, I tried to imply I was speaking to the 

 committee through you as its chairman. I realize it is a good ef- 

 fort, but I want to tell you it always takes a good man to pull a 

 group together, so I still want to compliment you personally. 



Mr. Lennon. 



Mr. Lennon. No questions. 



Mr. Miller. Mr. Ellsworth. 



Mr. Ellsworth. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have one or two 

 questions, Mr. Secretary. 



Mr. Miller. Mr. Secretary, we welcome new men like Mr. Ells- 

 worth to this committee, because they have already shown a great 

 interest in oceanography. I am very happy to have them on the 

 committee. 



Mr. Ellsworth. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I surely am very 

 much interested in the development of oceanography. 

 _ Mr. Secretary, to go back to the question of the hypothetical rela- 

 tionship between the ICO and the chairman's bill, in a couple of 

 places m your statement you referred to the ICO as a permanent 

 organization. You used the phrase "permanent status" and "perma- 

 nent structure." Yet on page 3 you said, "the reaffirmation * * * 

 of its permanent status." How permanent is this ? Is it really per- 

 manent, or is it just sort of permanent ? 



Mr. Wakelin. We have a letter of authorization from Dr. Wiesner 

 as Chairman of the Federal Council for Science and Technology, af- 

 firming the fact now that we are a permanent organization within 

 the Federal Council. This is the permanency to which I referred 

 in my statement, Mr. Ellsworth. 



