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Mr. Miller. If I may interrupt, this is still by Executive order. 



Mr. Wakelin. That is correct, sir. 



Mr. Miller. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. This, 

 then, stands on the basis of an Executive order which could be re- 

 pealed tomorrow, not that I think it will be repealed tomorrow, 

 but it has no more permanency than the man who makes the order. _ 



Mr. Ellsworth. Just one other question, Mr. Secretary. You said 

 on page 12 : 



We do need your favorable consideration of our budget requests. 



Then in your colloquy with the chairman just a minute ago you said 

 you understood the organization set up by the chairman's bill, assum- 

 ing it is passed, would not actually play a positive role in connection 

 with the various agencies' budget requests for their activities in the 

 area of oceanography. Yet, in subsection (5) of section 7 of the 

 chairman's bill, one of the things to be included, I notice, in the annual 

 report of the Council would be "requests for such legislation as may 

 be necessary to authorize the construction of any new facilities and 

 vessels which may be necessary to carry out as rapidly as possible the 

 purposes of this act." 



Would you not conceive that this bill might possibly require that 

 those requests be channeled through this Council rather than through 

 the departments ? 



Mr. Wakelin". I am not entirely clear on this because the member- 

 ship of the committee, which starts actually at the top of page 2 in 

 section 2, indicates to me that those operating agencies of the execu- 

 tive branch would still in effect be the agencies through which funds 

 would be allocated for the purpose of support of the oceanographic 

 program. As I see it, Mr, Ellsworth, there is no other coordinate 

 agency apart from the ones in the executive branch that would be 

 concerned on a group activity with the disposition of funds. 



Mr. Ellsworth. Your idea would be that this Council in the chair- 

 man's bill would be merely something of an informational agency to 

 report to the Congress the information of what other operating agen- 

 cies are requesting by way of funds or authorizations for facilities 

 and equipment ; is that right ? 



Mr. Wakelin. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Ellsworth. One final question. In your very wonderful and 

 splendid statement this morning, you were speaking under two hats. 

 One was as chairman of the ICO. I take it your views are the views 

 of all the members of ICO. 



Mr. Wakelin. That is correct. 



Mr, Ellsworth. Thank you very much, Mr. Secretary. 



Mr. Miller. Mr. Casey. 



Mr. Casey. I have no questions, but I wish to compliment the Sec- 

 retary on his statement and the progress which has been made. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Could I ask one question? I was waiting for my 

 colleagues, and I wanted also to have a chance to read over the state- 

 ment and the bill. 



Mr. Secretary, I assume you are familiar with H.E. 4276, are you 

 not? 



Mr. Wakelin. Yes, sir. 



