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utilization of the facilities and personnel of departments, agencies, and 

 instrumentalities in carrying out the purposes of this Act. 



(6) In reaffirmation of my remarks during the hearings, I suggest a review 

 of the intended membership of the Council. Specifically, I recommend the 

 inclusion of the Departments of State and Health, Education, and Welfare, as 

 well as the inclusion of a statement providing for orderly changes in member- 

 ship as the President may desire. Since the bill includes all aquatic sciences, 

 perhaps the Department of Agriculture should also be considered. 



(c) If new statutory authority is required for the Smithsonian Institution 

 to participate in oceanography, it is suggested that such authority be provided 

 in separate legislation as was done recently for the U.S. Coast Guard. 



Finally, you will recall that on June 19 we discussed briefly the announce- 

 ment of a report by Senator Henry M. Jackson which proposed the statutory 

 creation of an Office of Science and Technology in the White House to strengthen 

 the direction of the Nation's scientific efforts. Oceanography is a part of this 

 •overall and greater area of science coordination by the Executive. It would 

 give m,e a great deal of pleasure to be able to meet with you personally at your 

 convenience to discuss the implications of such a concept as set forth by Senator 

 Jackson and its possible significance to the future of oceanography and other 

 science areas. 



With kindest personal regards. 

 Sincerely yours, 



James H. Wakelin, Jr. 



Mr. DiNGELL,. I would be very grateful to you for that, Mr. Secre- 

 tary. 



I want to commend you for a very fine statement and thank you 

 for the help you have been to the committee. 



Mr. Wakelin. Thank you, sir. 



Mr. Miller. Mr. Bauer. 



Mr. Bauer. Mr. Secretary, I have a few questions concerning the 

 operation of the ICO as it exists now. 



In order that we may be in concurrence with our thinking, on page 

 96 of phase 1 is the membership of the interagency committee, and 

 also the working group membership. With respect to the organiza- 

 tion, how much staff does the ICO have ? 



Mr. Wakelin. The ICO Secretary is Mr. Robert Able, who is in the 

 Office of ISTaval Research. He is the only full-time member we have 

 apart from Commander Steven Anastasion in my office who spends 

 more than 50 percent of his time in the ICO and on oceanographic 

 problems. 



Mr. Batter. Don't you feel you are somewhat understaffed with 

 the magnitude of the job ? 



Mr. Wakelin. For the kind of work. Captain Bauer, we have been 

 doing up to date, I think we have had an adequate staff. In the fu- 

 ture, when we expand our efforts, as we have discussed m my state- 

 ment, I think we are probably going to have to increase our central 

 staff. 



Mr. Bauer. With respect to coordination, I notice in the member- 

 ship that the only biological interest in ICO is Mr. McKernan, and 

 he is the Director of the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries. 



Supposing problems of hydrobiology occur, which of course, is an 

 important subject in the study of the oceans, as well as the lakes, 

 would Mr. McKernan represent all hydrobiology on the committee? 



Mr. Wakemn. He is at present the representative of the Depart- 

 ment of the Interior. 



