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were a single committee such as this one that would receive an annual 

 report through the Speaker, then it seems to me when the different 

 constituent members of the group make their approach to the Ap- 

 propriations Committee, you have more than one arrow in your quiver. 



Mr. Wakelin. How would this differ from the report Mr. Kennedy 

 sent to the Speaker and to the President of the Senate this year? This 

 does bring the national oceanographic program together in one co- 

 herent package. 



Mr. Drewry. I do not think it differs. I think that is what we have 

 in mind. There is no statutory base, or sanction for this report. 



Mr. Wakelin. That is correct. 



Mr. Drewry. We were delighted when it came because it did set 

 forth just the type of thing we are trying to approach with the bill. 



Mr. Miller. It is something we like to get anyway. 



Mr. Drewry. And know we are going to get. 



Mr. Wakelin. May I comment on another member we think is 

 going to be very helpful to us, and that is, a member which is not 

 included in the bill, which I thmk is terribly important as far as our 

 international relations are concerned. That is a member from the 

 Department of State. 



In our international relationships, we feel we need the guidance of 

 the State Department in areas in which we may be in cooperative 

 effort with many other countries, particularly for programs like the 

 Indian Ocean expedition. 



Mr. Miller. I can say, now that you have introduced it, as one of 

 those privileged to go to Geneva last year— my colleague, Mr. Casey, 

 was there, too, and I believe he will agree with me the State Depart- 

 ment should be represented because there are international complica- 

 tions that come up with regard to the ocean and we got caught a little 

 short because we had not given this consideration many years ago. 

 The law of the sea is going to be involved in this picture. 



Mr. Wakelin. Might I also suggest, Mr. Chairman, a represent- 

 ative from Health, Education, and Welfare be included? 



Mr. Miller. I have a note right here to that effect. 



Thank you very much, Mr. Secretary. Our compliments to your 

 committee and to you. 



Mr. Philip S. Plughes, Assistant Director for Legislative Reference, 

 Bureau of the Budget. 



You are accompanied by Mr, Berg? Do you have a prepared 

 statement ? 



STATEMENT OF PHILIP S. HUGHES, ASSISTANT DIEECTOR FOR 

 LEGISLATIVE REFERENCE, BUREAU OF THE BUDGET, ACCOM- 

 PANIED BY CLIFFORD L. BERG, STAFF MEMBER, OFFICE OF 

 MANAGEMENT AND ORGANIZATION 



Mr. Hughes. I do not. I think the statement of Mr. Wakelin has 

 very well set forth the viewpoint of the Interagency Committee on 

 Oceanography and of the administration on this very important and 

 interesting subject. We are here at the request of your committee, 

 and would like to be of whatever benefit we can to the committee in 

 reviewing the reasons for our views, I think I might simply say this : 

 I believe Secretary Wakelin's statement and the discussions with the 



