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have gotten many more headlines in the papers than in this country. 

 But unfortunately this is not as spectacular as sending a man up m 

 a rocket; any more than the two young men who went down in the 

 bathyscope for 37,000 feet were spectacular. This made a few head- 

 lines, but again this was not as spectacular, maybe, as sending a man 

 aloft. 



Dr. Blake. To us, at least, what has been done so far on the Moho 

 is interesting mostly as a promise of what is to come. 



Mr. ]\Itller. I think that is all that we can expect, now. We have 

 made a probe. That is all. We have developed a technique. I 

 think we have learned a lot that will be valuable in the future. 



Dr. Blake. Well, with the possible exception of the special outboard 

 motors that were put on the Gu^ss^ the technique used so far has been 

 standard oil industry technique. It is what comes when you get to 

 a real deep hole that will be interesting. 



Mr. l^IiLLER. That is right. And let us say that putting the out- 

 board motors on the Cuss and learning how to put her in position was 

 pretty much of a breakthrough; but the fact that we did get down 

 into deep water and do the things that v/e were able to do was a big 

 breakthrough. 



I found your statements interesting and provocative. 



Dr. Blake. I hope they were provocative. 



Mr. Miller. I think they were very well made; because perhaps 

 some of us do get into ivory towers. And it is pretty good to knock 

 at the base of these things and find that the foundation, perhaps, 

 is not as attractive as the shining light the sun throws off at greater 

 heights. 



So I was verv much interested in what you had to say. 



Mr.Dingell? 



Mr. Dingell. I will yield to Mr. Pelly, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Pelly. Mr. Chairman, I am only sorry that there were time 

 limitations, because I can see where this committee could get a great 

 deal from questioning Dr. Blake. 



I know that he has colleagues to come on, and therefore it is nec- 

 essary to limit ourselves. 



I would like to indulge myself, however, in one particular question, 

 which may not be relevant. And that is: You are so forthright in 

 vour statements that I would like to get a comment as to your evalua- 

 tion of a crash program to land a man on the moon. 



If it is not out of order, Mr. Chairman. 



Dr. Blake. Well, I will appear bareheaded, with no hat, on that 

 one. This is personal opinion. I can think of better ways to spend 

 that money. 



Mr. Pelly. Well, that was not really fair. But the question that 

 I would like to put to you that really does have a bearing is as it re- 

 lates to legislation to formalize an interagency arrangement, whether 

 i<. is by Executive order or whether it is under a statute. 



In evaluating the present arrangement for an interagency informa- 

 tion center, I wonder whether private industry and private research 

 groups are able to communicate and contribute to the information 

 available for oceanography. 



Dr. Blake. I am sure that we would be more than willing to con- 

 tribute in any way that we could. 



