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Mr. DiNGELL. Mr, Chairman, I would like to ask this: Are you 

 familiar with the provisions of 4276 ? 



Dr. Blake. I have read it ; yes, sir. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Did it occur to you that there ought to be language 

 in there authorizing this data center and a National Council and the 

 instrument test and calibration center, to utilize the fruits of indus- 

 trial research, to give them specific authority to exchange information 

 with industrial agencies, and so forth, and to enter into cost-sharing 

 contracts with these industrial researchers, so that there might be some 

 benefits mutually given and shared between the Government and the 

 Government agencies and the data center, and so forth, and the pri- 

 vate firms engaged in this same operation ? 



Dr. Blake. Well, I am not a lawyer, so I am not qualified to com- 

 ment on the legal aspects of such a provision. However, I think the 

 thought that you expressed sounds like a very good one, with one 

 possible exception. You mentioned entering into contracts on a cost- 

 sharing basis. Now, while we, as an oil company, have historically 

 been willing to do that, it is not for me to sa,y that other oil companies 

 or geophysical contractors will be willing to do this merely on a cost- 

 sharing basis. However, if you said, "enter into contracts to do this," 

 I would have no objection. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Of course, if we say, "Do this on other than a cost- 

 sharing basis," it will be done on other than a cost-sharing basis, with 

 a resulting increase in the cost to taxpayers. Is that correct ? 



Dr. Blake. That is correct. But I do not think I can speak for 

 companies other than my own on their willingness to do it on a cost- 

 sharing basis. 



Mr. DiNGELL. One last question. 



You mentioned in your testimony that there is no reason why war 

 surplus ships could not be utilized for research. Am I correct in that ? 



Dr. Blake. For certain types of research. I will concede that for 

 specialized types of research involving bottom sampling in deep ocean, 

 there may very well be a good case for a requirement of special ships 

 having special maneuverabilities. 



However, for conventional geophysical surveys, such as we in the 

 industry are accustomed to carrying out, I do not believe that special 

 vessels are essential. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Thank you very much, sir. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Miller. Thank you very much. Dr. Blake. We appreciate your 

 coming here and the forthright manner in which you have given us 

 a, very interesting slant on this whole picture. 



Mr. Carl Savit, of the American Geophysical Co., Los Angeles, is 

 next. 



As long as only one of my colleagues is here now. Doctor, may I say 

 that as a Calif ornian I welcome you. 



STATEMENT OF CARL SAVIT, WESTERN GEOPHYSICAL CO. 



Mr. Savit. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen, there is very little that I 

 can add to what Dr. Blake has said. He has covered a great deal of 

 territory, and extremely well. 



