OCEANOGRAPHY 1961 — PHASE 3 211 



Mr, DiNGELL. In other words, you are related more closely to ap- 

 plied science ? 



Mr. Savit. That is correct. We are survej'^ors. 



Mr. DiNGELL. 1 am very much concerned that they are not applying 

 sound economic practice to their ways of surveying. And I intend 

 to explore the reason for this. 



But what I want to know is: Is there not some intelligent justifi- 

 cation for their behaving in a little different way with regard to their 

 surveys than you folks do in regard to your survey of the ocean floor ? 



Mr. Savit. There is every reason in the world for them to do their 

 surveys in the way they do them ; as long as they are out doing pure 

 science reconnaissance work, they more or less have to, with simple 

 instruments, play the thing by ear, be able to change at any moment, 

 and examine eveiy point. They have Ph. D.'s out on the ships. They 

 can study the whole thing through. 



We go out to do a specific survey. We are not suggesting that we 

 would be equipped or desire to do the kind of work that the universi- 

 ties do. We only suggest that we are equipped to go out and gather 

 data if the nature of the data can be specified. 



If someone wants to obtain a site for a particular type of oceano- 

 graphic study, or for a missile range, or for drilling to the Moho, or 

 something of the sort, the geophysical industry can go out and get 

 this specific data at very low cost per mile, as compared to the manual 

 way of doing it. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Now, with regard to survey vessels, is it your opinion 

 that the industry needs brand new vessels specially designed for their 

 work? 



Mr. Savit. The industry has built over the past years a number of 

 specially designed vessels, all-steel vessels. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Do you find that war surplus vessels are generally 

 satisfactory ? 



Mr. Savit. We have not so found. We have built our own vessels. 

 We own six vessels. We charter 13 more. They are all of about the 

 same type. We prefer to use our own. We have used war surplus 

 vessels in some areas and in some instances. We think we can do a 

 few more shots per day or something of that order if we have the spe- 

 cially designed vessels. We can accommodate the crews a little better, 

 ajnd so on, 



Mr. DiNGELL. As I read your testimony, then, you support the pro- 

 visions of H.R. 4276 dealing with the data center, with the instru- 

 mentation test, and the calibration center. Am I correct on that ? 



Mr. Savit. That is right, 



Mr. DiNGELL. Am I also correct in miderstanding that you would 

 support the purposes generally of this bill, H.R. 4276 ? 



Mr. Savit. Yes ; very enthusiastically. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Thank you so much. 



Mr, Batter. Mr. Savit, one question. 



Would you explain to the committee how good your geodetic con- 

 trol position is, your survey work ; and how you accomplish this ? 



Mr. Savit. Geodetic control in our work is accomplished by radio 

 location means appropriate to the specific area. We use shoran, loran, 

 raydist, decca. The AEPI is now being released. These methods 



