OCEANOGRAPHY 19GI— PHASE 3 



WEDNESDAY, JUNE 21, 1961 



House of Representatives, 

 Subcommittee on Oceanography of the 

 Committee on jMerchant Marine and Fisheries, 



Washington^ B.C. 



The subcommittee met at 10 a.m., pursuant to adjournment, Hon. 

 George P. Miller (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding. 



Present: Eep resent atives Miller, Dingell, Lennon, Vanik, 

 McDonough, Ellsworth, and Morse. 



IPresent also: John M, Drewr}^, chief counsel; Paul S. Bauer, 

 consultant; and William B. Winfield, cliief clerk. 



Mr. Miller. The committee will be in order. 



In the continuation of our hearings on the Oceanographic Act of 

 1961, H.R. 4276, we shall conclude the presentation of industry by- 

 hearing from Dr. Frank Olsen of the Radio Corp. of America, 

 Princeton Laboratories. 



We shall now turn to an area of great importance, namely, how 

 should a marriage of disciplines spread through so many depart- 

 mental and agency pockets of vital importance to our Nation, "aquatic 

 science," be managed without a serious disruption in the line func- 

 tions of existing departments and agencies ? 



To glean all possible ideas, sometime ago I asked Prof. Edwin J. B. 

 Lewis of the George Washington University School of Govern- 

 ment, Business, and International Affairs, if he would be willing 

 to help us. His answer in the affirmative has resulted in his appear- 

 ance today at my request. 



Professor Lewis is singularly qualified to offer his advice. For 

 19 years he defended the Bureau of Aeronautics and later the Bu- 

 reau of Weapons Budget of the Department of the Navy before both 

 the House and Senate Appropriations Committees. He has now re- 

 tired from his capacity as the top ci^dlian in budget matters of these 

 Navy bureaus and is devoting his full time to teaching, research, and 

 consultation in the field of financial management. In preparation 

 for his appearance here today at my request I know he has done 

 his homework well. 



The next area of inquiry concerns section 8 of H.R. 4276. The 

 National Science Foundation represented by Dr. Randal M. Robert- 

 son, Assistant Director of the Division of Mathematics, Physics, and 

 Engineering Sciences, and associates will give the answers to the 

 problem and congressional question developed during the last session 

 of Congress and reiterated in the first hearing of the current hearings 

 on phase 3 oceanography, namely, on H.R. 4276, which is: 



If a vessel is purchased with Federal funds, why should the title be passed 

 to the recipient of a Federal grant, thereby increasing the capital assets of 

 :the so-called nonprofit institution which is the grantee? 



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