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next reasonable period of time in going that far, in establishing a 

 separate and independent agency such as we have in the National 

 Aeronautics and Space Administration. 



I want to commend the gentleman, Mr. Chairman, I think he has 

 brought us a very important policy statement, here, as to how we 

 should proceed, and I just regret that all the members of the committee 

 are not here to hear what he has said. 



I for one hope very much that the counsel of this subcommittee and 

 our technical adviser, here, will confer at length with Professor Lewis, 

 in the hope that this bill, as a minimum, can be amended to meet the 

 criteria that you have established here. If we do not, I think we have 

 just wasted time, last year and again this year. 



I do not think that anything could be clearer to all of us than that 

 if we do not at least go as far as you have recommended in the passage 

 of this bill, we have just simply wasted the taxpayers' money in our 

 efforts to arrive at a conclusion as to what should be done in this 

 important field. 



I was very greatly impressed by the gentleman's statement. 



Mr. Miller. I am very happy to hear you say this, Mr. Lennon. I 

 want to subscribe to what you have said. 



It is my intention to direct the staff to submit Professor Lewis' 

 statement to the members of the committee, and I personally am go- 

 ing to ask them to read it. I think I have indicated my interest. We 

 do not have enough copies this morning to go around. I gave my 

 copy to Mr. Ellsworth and asked him to read it even before I called 

 on him, because I wanted him to get this background. 



Mr. Lennon, I wish you would go further, I wish you would sub- 

 mit to the agencies involved, who are enumerated in the bill as pos- 

 sible members of this Council, the professor's statement, and tell them 

 that in the judgment of the com^mittee this ought to be required read- 

 ing on their part. 



Mr. Miller. Well, I may say that as I look out over the audience 

 1 see representatives of nearly all of these agencies, and I think that 

 the interest that they are showing in the present proceedings of the 

 committee indicates their great interest in it, and I am hopeful and 

 know that they will all take it back with them. 



I shall make it a point to see that this is brought to the attention of 

 the present committee, whose duty it would be to circulate it among 

 the agencies, 



Mr. Lennon. I note, Mr. Chairman, that Professor Lewis referred 

 to HEW, which of course is the suggested person to be a designee. Is 

 that in your bill ? 



Mr. Miller. No, it is not in my bill, but it is one of the suggestions 

 I made to Dr. Wakelin the other day, and frankly, it is one of the 

 things when we get down to rewriting the bill that I hope to recom- 

 mend or that I shall recommend be placed in the bill. 



Mr. Lennon, Would the professor tell me, please, to what extent 

 HEW now, on the basis of the increased budget to this particular 

 field, is actually doing work in the field of oceanography ? 



Professor Lewis. They are functioning now to the extent of be- 

 tween $600,000 and $700,000 in the current year; and for 1962 the 

 budget amount is somewhat over $1 million. 



