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available. And I think that would give oceanography a very great 

 boost. 



Mr. Miller. I am certain that one was established last January. 

 It was a great job in getting it underway. I am hopeful that this is 

 one very valuable cooperative effort. 



Dr. Olson. May I make one more remark ? 



I noticed nothing in the bill about classified information. Now, 

 a lot of oceanographic data has been obtained on classified missions. 

 The data itself does not deserve classification, but it just happens to be 

 piled in with a lot of other stuff. And if the data center could make 

 a point of retrieving as much of this oceanographic information as 

 possible from the classified missions, it would help a lot, too. 



Mr. Miller. Thank you very much. 



Mr. Ellsworth? 



Mr. Ellsworth. Dr. Olson, I always like to find some kind of com- 

 mon personal ground with witnesses who come before the committee. 

 I would like to say that I was down in Panama City when it was a 

 mine countermeasure station. When were you down there ? 



Dr. Olson. I was there shortly after it turned into the Mine Defense 

 Laboratory. I was there in 1957 to 1960. 



Mr. Ellsworth. That is a very beautiful beach down there. 



Dr. Olson. The world's most beautiful. 



Mr. Ellsworth. Also, I do not want, in the discussion of marine 

 biology, to overlook the chairman's birthday cake icing from his 

 seaweed out in California. I would not want the record to stand 

 without further reference to that. 



Now, Dr. Olson, we have had testimony here indicating that there 

 was a need in some formal way to structuralize, so to speak, proce- 

 dures so that industry, the various branches of industry that are 

 interested in oceanography, could make a contribution and at the 

 same time be kept informed of progress being made in connection with 

 the national program. I observed that you have operated in the field 

 of oceanography, in the academic field, in the Government field, and 

 in private industry. Would you have any thoughts on this subject? 



Dr. Olson. That is a pretty broad subject. 



Mr. Ellsworth. Specifically, would you think that there should 

 be any provision made in this Miller bill to formally structuralize 

 a method whereby industry could participate in this Council ? 



Dr. Olson. My feeling right now is that there is no necessity for 

 that. The bill impressed me as a wise one, in that it seemed to leave 

 a good deal up to the discretion of the Council and up to the discretion 

 of individuals. 



There are so many things that we cannot legislate. I think if you 

 simply set up the machinery for accomplishing a task and then leave 

 the people involved alone, they have their broad mission outlined, and 

 you can then let them carry that out. I think if we try to legislate in 

 too much detail in a field so broad, all encompassing, and yet diffuse, as 

 this is, we could run into great difficulties. 



Now, I think industry should be certainly given a chance to speak up, 

 and it should be made aware of the needs of oceanography and its pos- 

 sible contributions to oceanography ; but I do not see that there is any 

 need right now for making any formalization of anything like this. 



Mr. Ellsworth. Thank you, Dr. Olson. 



