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Mr. Lennon. I think you understand it, because I read it verbatim. 

 And it is something that can be used out of context, and yet you can 

 get the purposeful meaning of it. 



I would appreciate it, if you gentlemen do not know each other, you 

 and Professor Lewis, if you would meet after we adjourn and ex- 

 change views, because I am very much impressed with this legislation, 

 but I do think it needs the amendatory language that Professor Lewis 

 has suggested, if we are to hold some central agency accountable for 

 the progress of this program. 



It is so difficult. Doctor, as I think you can reasonably understand, 

 for a legislative committee to bring in a dozen agencies to ask, "Tell 

 us about your progress in this field." 



We need a coordinating agency to bring it together. You spoke a 

 while ago about having been in oceanography with the Navy, and that 

 you found a lot of biological subjects in connection with oceanography 

 were put in the classified list. 



Dr. Olson. Oh, yes. 



Mr. Lennon. That is what we want to avoid. We cannot avoid it 

 unless we have a council with authority to say to the Navy : "This 

 shouldn't be classified. This should belong to the world, to humanity." 



Dr. Olson. Certainly, the Government has so many agencies that 

 are doing work, some of which could be classified as oceanography. 

 For instance. Public Health. I know they are doing some work on 

 marine schistosomes — swimmer's itch — which apparently one can get 

 in certain salt waters. There are various parasites which are being 

 watched rather closely. The Army Corps of Engineers is getting all 

 kinds of data. They do lots of dredging. They do bore holes and 

 things like that. All of that is good data. 



Mr. Lennon. But there are bound to be, in all of these agencies that 

 are interested in one facet of oceanography or other — there is bound 

 to be an overlapping. 



Dr. Olson. Oh, yes ; you cannot help the overlapping. 



Mr. Lennon. But if you had a central agency of representatives at 

 a high level of these various agencies meeting frequently in the form 

 of a council, there would be, obviously, less overlapping, if you had 

 a single agency, and therefore in the necessary expenditure of public 

 funds you might get away from overlapping. 



Dr. Olson. There might be some help in that. But overlapping is 

 one thing it is almost impossible to avoid. 



By a central data agency, you can certainly avoid duplicating ex- 

 periments and things like that. Oh, yes. There you would. 



The other point that I would like to emphasize, again : There must 

 be many governmental agencies that are doing work which could be 

 classified as oceanographic, and they do not even have any idea of 

 that. I am thinking in terms now of some of the work done by the 

 Army Corps of Engineers, very fine work, in harbors. But a good 

 deal of that is kept to themselves. When I have had to go to them, I 

 have always had the very best of cooperation. They have given me 

 all the data they had. And much of it was very good. 



But who knows what they have ? 



Mr. Lennon. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Miller. Mr. Vanik? 



