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Dr. K.OBEKTSON". Dr. Julian Goldsmith has been the Chairman. I 

 do not have here a list of the panel, but I will provide it for the 

 record. 



(The following was furnished for insertion :) 



Advisory Pawel for Earth Sciences, Fiscal Year 1961 

 (Chairman : Dr. Julian R. Goldsmith) 



Dr. A. Francis Birch, ^ Division of Geological Sciences, Harvard University, 

 Cambridge, Mass. 



Dr. Julian R. Goldsmith, Department of Geology, University of Chicago, 

 Chicago, 111. 



Dr. Charles B. Hunt, U.S. Geological Survey, Federal Center, Denver, Colo. 



Dr. Leon KnopofE, Institute of Geophysics, University of California, Los 

 Angeles, Calif. 



Dr. Henry W. Menard, Jr., Scripps Institution of Oceanography, La Jolla, 

 Calif. 



Dr. Francis J. Petti John, Department of Geology, Johns Hopkins University, 

 Baltimore, Md. 



Dr. Robert R. Shrock, Department of Geology and Geophysics, Massachusetts 

 Institute of Technology, Cambridge, Mass. 



Dr. John Verhoogen, Department of Geology, University of California, Berk- 

 eley, Calif. 



Dr. William S. von Arx, "Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, Woods Hole, 

 Mass. 



Mr. Bauer. Now, the next question is: Are any members of the 

 panel recipients of any of the grants % 



Dr. Robertson. Yes, sir. We have panel members who are recipi- 

 ents of NSF grants. They do not take part in the review of their 

 own proposals, however. 



Mr. Bauer. In other words, the people that pass upon the advis- 

 ability of a grant could be the people who receive the grant. Is that 

 correct ? 



Dr. EoBERTSON. In the case of any particular proposal, if such a 

 man were on our panel, he would stand aside, perhaps leave the room, 

 during the consideration of his proposal. Since we support most of 

 the outstanding people in the field of earth sciences, it would be im- 

 possible to get together a representative panel of people who had no 

 support from the National Science Foundation. 



Mr. Bauer. I was purely thinking of a question of conflict of in- 

 terest, that this Congress of course is very much interested in. 



Mr. DiNGELL. If you will yield to me very briefly : This sounds to 

 me like a device for logrolling, in that you have a body which passes 

 on these things, that has inherent in it, I feel, every opportunity for a 

 "You scratch my back — I'll scratch your back" operation. 



Mr. Vanik. We only limit that to Congress, you know. 



Dr. Robertson. If we have a member from Cal Tech on our panel, 

 and a proposal from Cal Tech is under discussion, it is the custom 

 that he absent himself during the discussion and take no part in the 

 decision. 



Mr. Dingell. Of course, he is in no way limited from lobbying 

 before, during, and after the meeting, to see to it that the interests 

 of the institution that he happens to represent are protected, is he? 



* Dr. Birch resigned from the panel effective Apr. 27, 1961. 



