OCEANOGRAPHY 1961 — PHASE 3 275 



Dr. Fye. Of course, oceanography rests like a three-legged stool on 

 three 



Mr. Bauer. I hope it is not Texas Tower No. 4. 



Dr. Fye. I think that it is very clear that to do oceanography we 

 must have good scientists to start with. This is a most important fac- 

 tor. We must have facilities, primarily ships. And third, we must 

 have laboratories ashore to analyze the data. It is impossible to ap- 

 propriate moneys solely for operation without adequate ships to go 

 to sea to conduct the researches. A balance between budget for 

 operation and budgets for facilities is quite necessary to be achieved. 



Mr. Bauer. Now, Dr. Fye, were you not going to get a ship on bail- 

 ment from the Office of Naval Eesearch prior to the award of the 

 grant from the National Science Foundation ? 



Dr. Fye. As I stated, we are operating the research vessel Chain, 

 which is owned by the Navy, title held by the Navy. 



Mr. Bauer. No ; I mean a new one. 



Dr. Fye. No, there is no such plan at the present. 



Mr. Bauer. But was there? 



Dr. Fye. Before there was a grant or money budgeted within the 

 National Science Foundation, there were discussions with the Navy 

 for awarding the use by Woods Hole of one of the research ships 

 planned in the Navy budget. 



Mr. Bauer. Did Woods Hole participate in the design character- 

 istics of the ship as far as compartmentalization with the ship's char- 

 acteristics under the Bureau of Ships ? 



Dr. Fye. In the AGOR design, going back 5 or 6 years, the Bureau 

 of Ships very graciously invited oceanographers from all the institu- 

 tions in the country to submit their requirements, and, through dis- 

 cussions, to participate in the establishment of the needs for the re- 

 search vessels funded by the Navy. 



Mr. Bauer. I mean in particular the ship that was going to come 

 to Woods Hole prior to the award of a grant by the National Science 

 Foundation. 



Dr. Fye. The Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution,^ as far as I 

 am aware, was in no different position, in no favored position, in the 

 design for the Navy research vessels. 



Mr. Bauer. Did not that ship have certain compartmentalization 

 that Woods Hole desired ? 



Dr. Fye. Not to my knowledge. And of course, sir, the design was 

 completely in the hands of the Bureau of Ships after receiving the 

 advice through discussions with oceanographers throughout the coun- 

 try. 



Mr. Bauer. Now, I notice in the TENOC program you are due to 

 receive two more AGOR type ships in the next few years. Do you 

 contemplate receiving those on bailment, or are you going to go to 

 the National Science Foundation for additional grants in the next 10 

 years? 



Dr. Fye. The plan as I understand it, and as I nidicated m my 

 statement, would be that in the case of ships furnished for institutions 

 such as ours through the Navy, title would be held witliin the Navy. 

 The current plan within the Science Foundation, which I believe is a 

 wise one, would be to, within certain limitations, transfer titles. 



I think it is important to realize that this is not a transfer of title 

 without some restrictions and commitments. It is required that the 



