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Dr. Carmichael. I think we have enough authorization to enlarge 

 it if funds were available. It is true, as I suggested in the letter I 

 have just read, if legislation is to be provided, that it might be helpful 

 to reinforce our authority by mentioning the disposition of collected 

 materials in the legislation. 



Mr. DiNCxELL. Tv'ould you yield? 



Mr. Bauer. Yes. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Would that have to do, perhaps, with making the 

 Smithsonian the repository of collected material? Would that be 

 helpful to your institution ? 



Dr. Carmichael. Mr. Chairman, we believe that, by law, we are 

 that now, but as I have just said, I think if this were reinforced in 

 later legislation, it might help to keep people cognizant of this fact. 



It is true now that the Geological Survey and the Fish and Wild- 

 life Service, and so on, after they are through with the inmiediate 

 work on specimens, by law, and if we need these specimens for our col- 

 lections, they are transferred to us. 



Mr. DiisTGELL. Doctor, would you ask some of your staff people to 

 draft us an amendment appropriate to carry out the intent of what 

 you mentioned ? 



Dr. Carmichael. Yes ; we will. 



Mr. Dijstgell. Submit that to the committee. 



Dr. Carmichael. Yes, sir. 



(In response to the committee's request for language the following 

 is suggested as an additional subparagraph of section 9(a) :) 



(5) to serve as the depository of all collections of marine and aquatic organ- 

 isms made pursuant to this Act when such collections are no longer needed for 

 investigations in progress and are accepted by the Secretary. 



Mr. Bauer. In the collection of specimens, I refer to the specimens 

 f'.ollected, before the Bikini explosion — this is a priceless collection of 

 before-atomic radiation change — are those specimens being actively 

 worked, and de we have specimens after the Bikini explosion to com- 

 pare what changes, if any, occurred ? 



Dr. Carmichael. Mr. Bauer, subject to correction, my answer to 

 your question in both cases is "Yes." 



(Note. — This answer was subsequently verified.) 



Mr. Bauer. When you get collections of this type, do you encourage 

 graduate student participation in the study of these specimens in your 

 Institution, or do you send the specimens to various universities ? In 

 other words, do you have any facility to take care of graduate study 

 at the Smithsonian ? 



Dr. Carmichael. Yes, Mr. Bauer. We cannot ordinarily send 

 specimens very effectively to other places for study. In the case of 

 some paleontological specimen, a unified thing put in a crate, for exam- 

 ple, which somebody studying at the University of Wisconsin could be 

 furnished, sometimes such things are sent. In general, when a man is 

 doing a piece of graduate work and when he is working for his Ph. D. 

 degree at California, Chicago, Minnesota, Harvard, or any other uni- 

 versity, if his work requires — as it often does in these fields — specific 

 study i)i organized collections, that man then comes to our Institution 

 where his professor has already written to our curators. Our people 

 are research scientists and ordinarily friends of the professors in these 

 various fields. 



