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This young man then will come and he may work for a few weeks, 

 if the problem is a simple one, or a few months. There have been oc- 

 casions when people have come for a few years. And this is not only 

 true in regard to our imiversities, but it is true, for example, of the 

 British Museum. 



People have come over from the British Museum and have spent 

 months, or even longer. So, with the other great museums of the 

 counti*y, this is the kind of scientific interchange that takes place. 

 There is a great amount of knowledge on the part of scientists in these 

 highly specialized fields, about which other people really do not know 

 enough to be competent. Therefore, the experts interchange their 

 students and interchange the knowledge that is developing in these 

 fields. 



I feel that we do help in this way. We do not, ourselves, however, 

 provide graduate training in the sense of giving graduate credit, to 

 use the technical university term, that would be given by the univer- 

 sity from which the man came, say the University of California at Los 

 Angeles, or from some other research institution. 



Mr. Bauer. In conjunction with tliis very valuable program, do 

 you need any more facilities ? 



Dr. Carmichael. The Congress has been 



Mr. DiNGELL. Rather penurious in giving sufficient funds ? 



Dr. Carmichael. I wanted to say that the Congress has given us 

 funds to add a wing, which is now going up, to our Natural History 

 Building. This is primarily to meet these needs. 



Mr. DiNGELL. When you get that wing up, you will have it full of 

 specimens you already have, and then have enough for another three 

 wings ? 



Dr. Carmichael. Mr. Chairman, I think your statement is a very 

 wise statement but I hope this will not come immediately. 



Mr. Dingell. I think it should have come a few years ago. 



Dr. Carmichael. The Congress decided that the Natural History 

 Building was overcrowded a great many years ago, but it was 



Mr. Dingell. Grossly inadequate is my term. 



Dr. Carmichael. I do feel that at the present time, to answer the 

 question specifically, we are so grateful for what the Congress has 

 done in connection with the building of the east wing, and in connec- 

 tion with the legislation for the building of the west wing for the 

 Natural History Building, that I feel reluctant to say we are in imme- 

 diate need of additional facilities at this time. 



However, the chairman is certainly correct when he says that any 

 great growing program of this sort never permanently can exist 

 without development of facilities. 



Mr. Dingell. I would like to point out your aircraft building as 

 being a splendid case in point. You have some of the great national 

 treasures in this field and yet it looks like you are housing them, 

 to me, in a quonset hut. You have them wedged in one great big 

 building and it does not look to me like a national treasure house but 

 a sort of an attic. 



I want to say that I think you. folks should have enough money to do 

 what you need in an appropriate way, that a great national mstitute 

 of the kind you have should receive the funds from this Congress to 

 carry out its purposes. 



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