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My remarks are not critical of you or the Smithsonian. They are 

 critical of the way we have given you money to carry on the very high 

 responsibility you have. 



Dr. Cakmichael. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am deeply grateful 

 for your statement. 



Mr. Pelly. Mr. Chairman, would you yield ? 



Mr. DiNGELL. Yes. 



Mr. Pelly. Maybe we could have diverted some of the money 

 going to this new office building to the advantage of the Nation. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Maybe we still might convert it. 



Mr. Bauer. I have another question. 



Dr. Carmichael, are you funded in your operations by the National 

 Science Foundation ? 



Dr. Carmichael. Activities conducted by the Smithsonian Institu- 

 tion, according to law, including the activities of the U.S. National 

 Museum, particularly the Department of Zoology, which concerns 

 itself with fish, mollusks, and so on, are appropriated for annually by 

 the U.S. Congress under the heading, "Salaries and expenses of the 

 Smithsonian Institution." However, it is true that the Smithsonian 

 Institution does receive from the National Science Foundation, and 

 from private foundations as well, money for specific — I think they call 

 them ad hoc scientific research programs — projects that have to be 

 done now that will not go on indefinitely. Funds for these studies do 

 come to us from the National Science Foundation, from the Na^^y, 

 from the Atomic Energy Commission, as well as from the Guggen- 

 heim and other Foundations and from private donors. 



Mr. Bauer. With respect to other museums in the country, do you 

 have a cooperative program with them for the exchange of specimens, 

 study, and so on ? I am thinking of the American Museum of Natural 

 History and organizations of that kind. 



Dr. Carmichael. We do have. 



Mr. Bauer. Do you have any publications in which you disseminate 

 the information that you produce ? 



Dr. Carmichael. Yes, sir; we have a publication program. It is 

 one of the great publication programs in science. A direct result of 

 this program is the fact that since the Smithsonian started its publi- 

 cation 115 years ago, it has published much important research. These 

 publications go to universities, to scientific research centers all over 

 the world, and back come exchange copies. 



These go first into the Smithsonian Library and then are transferred 

 to the Library of Congress. This country of ours is enriched cer- 

 tainly, I would say, by a million titles that have come as a direct 

 result of the scientific publication program of the Smithsonian estab- 

 lished by my distinguished predecessor, Joseph Henry, when he came 

 from Princeton to start the scientific work of the Smithsonian more 

 than a century ago. 



This was when science was indeed at a low ebb in this country. 



I am only the seventh Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution in 

 115 years. 



Mr. Bauer. I hope you live 115 years. 



Dr. Carmichael. Thank you, sir. 



Mr. Bauer. Dr. Carmichael, would you supply to the committee an 

 organizational chart of the Smithsonian ? 



