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eye contact, to use a term of the psychologists, the actual feel for 

 being in a laboratory and working side by side with these scientists, 

 I think certainly is strongly indicated and we must have it. 



Mr. Bauer. In our national effort, would it be your opinion that 

 we should actively support those field stations which happen to be 

 located where the biota exists although they are not within the conti- 

 nental limits of the United States, referring to the Bermuda Biologi- 

 cal Station, the Lerner Marine Laboratory in Bimini of the American 

 Museum of Natural History and others ? 



Mr. Cox. I would strongly recommend it personally. 



Mr. Bauer. Thank you. 



Mr. DiNGELL. You support H.R. 4276 and the purposes included 

 therein ? 



Mr. Cox. Yes, sir. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Doctor, the committee is very grateful to you for 

 your courtesy and your kindness, and I would like to thank both of 

 you distinguished gentlemen for the honor you have shown us this 

 morning by coming and testifying. 



Mr. Cox. It was a privilege. 



Mr. DiNGELL. The next witness is an old friend of the Chair, a 

 distinguished biologist and conservationist, the Honorable Robert M. 

 Paul, special assistant to Assistant Secretary of Interior for Fish 

 and Wildlife. 



STATEMENT OF ROBERT M. PAUL, SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO ASSIST- 

 ANT SECRETARY OF INTERIOR FOR FISH AND WILDLIFE, FRANK 

 P. BRIGGS 



Mr. Paul. All of you know Dr. McHugh, Director of Research for 

 the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries. He came to Commercial Fish- 

 eries by way of the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in California 

 and most recently director of the Virginia State Fisheries Laboratory. 

 He came in about a year ago. 



Also with me is Mr. Al Swartz. Mr. Al Swartz is even newer than 

 Dr. McHugh, just recently assumed direction for the salt water sport 

 fish research program set up by Mr. Lennon's bill of 2 years ago, 

 I suspect it is the first time Mr. Swartz has had a chance to see the 

 committee. If you have any questions or desire any information, I 

 think he might be a very good witness. 



Mr. Lennon". I am glad to see him. 



Mr. Paul. I knew you would be. 



Mr. DiNGELL. You gentlemen are very welcome. Having had some 

 interest in the bill, I am delighted to see the Department is moving, 

 and I know Mr. Lennon is. 



Mr. Paul. Mr. Chairman, I appreciate your invitation to appear 

 to discuss the biological implications of an oceanographic program. 

 This is the first time I have had an opportunity to appear before your 

 committee as a representative of the Department of Interior and I 

 am very grateful to meet with you again. 



Last year your subcommittee held a very fruitful series of hearings 

 on our national needs in oceanography and all of us are pleased that 

 you have again decided to secure the ideas of many outstanding scien- 

 tists in this field — both in and out of Government. If anybody ques- 



