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fishing ojff the New England coast and as the fish move south in the 

 fall of the year they fish all the way down to Florida. Then when 

 the fish move back, they fish all the way up and down the coast from 

 Florida right up to New England following the sport fish — king 

 mackerel, cobia, bluefish, all the other game fish we have along our 

 entire gulf and South Atlantic coasts. They can tell the folks where 

 to go to catch them. That tourist trade is a wonderful thing we have 

 Thank you very much. 



Mr. DiNGELL. The Chair would like to pay appropriate tribute to 

 the distinguished conservationists on this coimnittee, Mr. Pelly and 

 Mr. Lennon, and point out for the record that if it were not for the 

 efforts of these two distinguished members of this subcommittee, the 

 Subcommittee on Fisheries and Wildlife, not only would Mr. Lennon's 

 bill, the salt water fishing bill, not have come about, but many other 

 good pieces of conservation legislation would not have seen the light 

 of day. 



I think it is interesting to observe that we practically sit this morn- 

 ing as a Subcommittee on Fish and Wildlife in the Oceanography 

 Committee. 



Mr. Lennon. I want to use this opportunity to tell the gentleman 

 I was disappointed last year when we did not get our pesticide bill 

 through. I took a rather hard stand even against my State commis- 

 sioner of agriculture, who got the wrong slant on this thing. 



I want to ask this of the gentleman noM^ Is the Department of the 

 Interior, particularly the Bureau of Fish and Wildlife, getting the 

 cooperation it ought to have and to which it is entitled from the De- 

 partment of Agriculture in this question of notifying you people when 

 they ought to start a movement to broadcast insecticides and pesticides 

 in the areas of our Fish and Wildlife Service ? 



Mr. Paul. At this point I would like to pay particular tribute to 

 the present chairman of this committee. Thanks to Mr. Dingell, I feel 

 we have made a substantial amount of progress in the last 2 months. 

 He can give you a better report than I. I would say things are bet- 

 ter than they ever have been in our relations with Agriculture. 



Mr. Lennon. You will recall last year that neither the Department 

 of Agriculture nor your Department wanted the bill. You said you 

 could do it without the bill. My information was that you folks were 

 not getting the cooperation you were entitled to from the Department 

 of Agriculture. That was the only thing we had in mind. 



You mentioned a few minutes ago when you said pollution of the 

 waters, particularly in tidal areas, through insecticides and pesticides 

 was damaging our marine life — and I am sure it is — if you do not get 

 the cooperation, I wish you would let some of us know so we can start 

 with our bill again. 



Mr. Paul. Mr. Dingell has taken a personal interest in this, and even 

 more important. Secretaries Udall and Freeman have agreed between 

 themselves and have told staff members like myself that we are going 

 to work this out, and at the present time we are formalizing an agree- 

 ment between the Departments of Government concerned — Agricul- 

 ture, Interior, HEW, and Defense — ^to set up a formal committee at 

 the policy level to review these programs with the power to modify 

 them, cut them off, or change them in any way to get better and more 

 coniplete protection to fish and wildlife. I am personally very 

 optimistic. 



