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Mr. Paul. I might say, Mr. Chairman, Mr. Swartz and the people 

 in this program have been quite successful in finding free facilities. 

 They managed to find a surplus Army hospital well suited to their 

 needs on the east coast, and now this is a surplus naval installation 

 on the west coast. These are secured at no cost to the program, I 

 might add. 



Mr. Lenno^sj-. The gentleman's statement has demonstrated his ex- 

 perience, his knowledge, and his training. For my own information 

 would you care to state that for the record, your training prior to 

 your coming into this field 2 months ago? I know it was adequate 

 or you would not be where you are, but for the record I would like 

 to have it. 



Mr. Swartz. I must say I am not a marine biologist. My training 

 and experience have been largely in fresh water. I am a graduate of 

 Williams College in Massachusetts. I have a master's degree from 

 Cornell University in aquatic biology and fisheries. I was the chief 

 aquatic biologist for the State of Massachusetts Conservation De- 

 partment from 1940 until 1948, less 3 years' service in the Navy. 



In 1948, I joined the Fish and Wildlife Service, attached to the 

 regional office in Boston, engaged in river basin work and the Dingell- 

 Johnson program, which was one of the finest experiences of my life. 



In 1960, I transferred to the Washington office and was Chief of 

 the Section of Research in the Federal-aid program, better known as 

 the Dingell- Johnson program. In February 1961, I transferred to 

 the Branch of Fishery Research as Assistant Branch Chief. 



Mr. Lennon. I am sure the gentleman found his new experience in 

 salt water fishing interesting. 



Mr. Swartz. In the Dingell-Johnson program, both in the North- 

 east and nationally, we are concerned with marine resources and par- 

 ticularly with research. 



At the present time I believe there are 17 States that have marine 

 projects, 22 in all, that are supported by the Dingell-Johnson funds, 

 concerned with the restoration of marine game fishes. 



Mr. Lennon. I recall in 1958 when this legislation was being con- 

 sidered that we developed the amount of money being generated an- 

 nually at the retail level, gross dollars per year being generated by 

 salt water sport fishing. It was astounding even then, the figures we 

 were able to obtain for the record up to that time. I would say it was 

 on the basis of increase in days spent, 80 millions I believe you said. 



Mr. Swartz. Yes. 



Mr. Lennon. You have that same increase in total dollars spent at 

 retail level generated by salt water fishing. 



Mr. Swartz. I expect it is much higher now. 



Mr. Lennon. It is bound to be if the man-days go up. When a 

 man has a fishing boat for salt water fishing, there is no way to stop 

 him from buying reels, rods, outboard motors, plugs, bait ; there is no 

 end to the expenditure in connection with salt water fishing. I hope 

 this program will grow. I think it is a great thing for the people who 

 are seeking recreation along our coasts and across the country. 



There is nothing in the world quite as relaxing as standing in the 

 ocean surf watching the sun come up out of the ocean. Certainly there 

 is no thrill like having 100 yards or so of line in the water with a 



