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Federal funds to be in the Government, do you have any preference 

 as to where the title should rest? Would it be with the National 

 Science Foundation, or the Maritime Administration, or the Navy, 

 or the Coast and Geodetic Survey ? 



Dr. Robertson. Under these circumstances, I would think for these 

 basic research ships it should remain with the National Science Foun- 

 dation. 



Mr. Bauer. That is all I have, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Miller. Mr. Lennon, have you any questions? 



Mr. Lennon. No, sir. 



Mr. Miller. Mr. Gross? 



Mr. Gross. No, sir. 



Mr. Miller. Mr. Drewry. 



Mr. Drewry. Mr. Ruttenberg, I came in late so maybe this has al- 

 ready been covered. Stop me if it has been. 



In your discussion of the restrictions on this particular ship that 

 we are talking about of Woods Hole, do you make the money avail- 

 able to Woods Hole by grant ? 



Mr. RUTTENBERG. YcS. 



Mr. Drewry. Is it on a progress basis ? 



Mr. RuTTENBERG. Ycs. I do not know the specific details, but it 

 is on a progress basis, I am sure. In other words, the whole sum 

 is not given at one time. Dr. Benson would know specifically how 

 that works. 



Mr. Drewry. So at no point do you ever have any title of any 

 kind in the product of your grant. Is that right ? 



Mr. RuTTENBERG. That is correct. 



Mr. Drewry. On these so-called restrictions, in the event of a na- 

 tional emergency the institution that has agreed with you in connec- 

 tion with the grant of whatever product of the grant is, in this case 

 a ship, the ship would be available to the United States. Does that 

 mean that you would grant it back to the United States, or sell it 

 back for a dollar, or would they get just compensation? 



Mr. RuTTENBERG. I do not think they would get any compensation, 

 no. I think it would be transferred to the United States without com- 

 pensation, except for what they have put into it of their own money. 

 There would be an equitable adjustment on that, but insofar as the 

 U.S. portion is concerned, there would be no further compensation to 

 them upon return of the ship. 



Mr. Drewry. Actually, since the title is vested in the institution, 

 while they will agree to do this, they do not have to. They have the 

 ship. They have full, free, and clear title, have they not ? 



Mr. RuTTENBERG. Well, I suppose that in an extreme case, and I 

 do not visualize this ever happening, there could be a case where 

 we would have to proceed against the organization to get it, but we 

 do not anticipate that. 



Mr. Drewry. No. I am just talking about the legal aspects. 



Mr. RuTTENBERG. They have accepted the grant subject to the con- 

 ditions that have been placed on it. 



Mr. Drewry. However, legally, the full title is in the institution ? 



Mr. RuTTENBERG. That is correct. 



Mr. Dre^vry. So for the Government to get it back, then there 

 would have to be a 



