OCEANOGRAPHY 1961 — PHASE 3 347 



Mr. Miller. That is true. You cannot have a cyclotron or a linear 

 accelerator — we are having a little trouble determining where that is 

 going to go now — as you can a ship. 



On the other hand, in the field of oceanography and the very fine 

 work done by the Academy of Sciences pointing it up, it has also 

 pointed up the necessity for some coordinating body, so we now have 

 an interagency committee voluntarily established by Executive order 

 to do this work. Of course, the real objective of this bill is to make 

 this an agency or an interagency committee, a more stable statutory 

 agency. 



Of course, my own feeling is that we have not done enough in the 

 biology of the ocean, so we have something in common. I would like 

 to see more done in this field than has been done, but I still think that 

 we must accept some very definite fiscal responsibility though it is 

 desirable to do this for educational institutions — you heard some 

 rumblings in another committee on this very subject of making unlim- 

 ited grants to universities. You will hear more of it, I can assure 

 you, because this committee is becoming conscious of what has been 

 proposed. 



"We just want to explore this and make sure that it is necessary to 

 get the job done. 



Mr. Casey, have you any questions ? 



Mr. Casey. No questions. 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Miller. Oh, yes. Excuse me. 



Mr. Lennon. The Atlantis was specially designed for oceanog- 

 raphy, was it not ? 



Dr. Robertson. Yes. 



Mr. Lennon. Who holds the title now to the ^!^7fl'M/i"-s? 



Dr. Robertson. I believe Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution 

 holds title to the Atlantis. 



Mr. Lennon. Was that constructed through grants by the National 

 Science Foundation? 



Dr. Robertson. No ; that was constructed long before the National 

 Science Foundation existed. 



Mr. Lennon. Was that done through Federal funds, or private 

 funds? 



Dr. Robertson. Private funds. 



Dr. Bolt. Rockefeller Foundation funds. 



Mr. Lennon. The reason I ask, actually section 8 of Congressman 

 Miller's bill would have no practical effect at all in the light of the 

 proposed plan now to award grants to Woods Hole and other private 

 institutions interested in oceanography, would it? Look at section 8. 

 It would have no practical value ? 



Mr. Ruttenberg. Section 8 says : 



Whenever any vessel is supplied by the United States * * ♦. 



Mr. Lennon. But you do not do it that way. 



Mr. Ruttenberg. That is right. 



Mr. Lennon. You do it through a series of grants and allow them 

 to construct their own vessel and the title, of course, is in the person. 



Mr. Ruttenberg. We never had the title, that is correct. 



Mr. Lennon. So as long as you continue the program that the Na- 

 tional Science Foundation has in mind in making a series of grants 



