350 OCEANOGRAPHY 1961 — PHASE 3 



Mr. Casey. No questions. 



Dr. Bolt. If I may make a comment on that, as long as it is an 

 electron microscope we are buying for a research group, or a com- 

 puter, or other such things, this kind of question does not come up. 

 If the only way they can do their research is to use a ship and we buy 

 them a ship, then naturally, one can ask this question : Are we going in 

 the shipbuilding business ? 



But one can also ask the question : Are we in the business of build- 

 ing computers or building electron microscopes ? 



Mr, Miller. Doctor, if you are going to Duild a computer for the 

 University of California, or an electron microscope for the Univer- 

 sity of Texas, the building you are going to house these in is not part 

 of the job that you are doing and the type of building has been pretty 

 well established ; but we also know that when we get into the ship- 

 building business, particularly with people who want to be a bit exotic 

 occasionally, and want this or that on a ship, the ships are a little bit 

 different. I am not entirely without some experience in this field be- 

 cause for 4 years I was executive officer of the California Division of 

 Fish and Game at a time when we had the best biological ship, the 

 N.B. Schofield^ that had ever been designed. 



I know at that time, we could have gone far beyond what we did, 

 if we had not had some practical people assisting us in the design of 

 the ship. She was good enough that at the outbreak of the war, the 

 Navy immediately commandeered her. We fought the comman- 

 deering on the grounds that the Navy could seize your ship or my 

 ship, but it could not seize the property of the sovereign State, and the 

 Navy agreed with this. 



Then we made a charter party entirely different from other charter 



Earties, revocable on 30-day notice by either side, and the Navy took 

 er. Instead of using her for the things which they indicated they 

 were going to use her for, they were going to turn her over to the Fish 

 and Wildlife Service, because they wanted to do certain work. We 

 served notice on the Navy and took the ship back, but we wrote another 

 charter party of a different type. It is perhaps the only time that the 

 Government sat down with a State agency and determined the type of 

 charter party ships would be operated under, so they are a little differ- 

 ent from building houses to put in the cyclotrons or linear accelerators. 

 As a matter of fact, we have a very good place in my district we would 

 like to sell you for the accelerator. 



We have a series of hills you can build it through, but this is an- 

 other story. 



Mr. Morse, 



Mr. Morse. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



I have just a couple of questions I would like to pose. First, with 

 regard to the question that Mr, Gross just asked, I apologize for not 

 being here throughout the testimony, Dr. Bolt, but I infer that what 

 you have been talking about is the grant of funds to Woods Hole and 

 then Woods Hole has accumulated a sufficient amount of money that 

 they are in the business of going out and procuring an oceanographic 

 vessel and title to the vessel in Woods Hole with 100 percent of Gov- 

 ernment funds, I infer. 



Dr. Bolt. Yes, and they would have the vessel designed and built 

 with these funds. 



