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Mr. Morse. Such a contract would be entirely free from any re- 

 strictions of ordinary Government procurement; is that correct? 



Mr. RuTTENBERG. Legally, that is correct. 



Mr, Morse. If there is an antidiscrimination provision, let us as- 

 sume, in the Government contracts, this would be one way of avoiding 

 that sort of provisions ? 



Mr. Ruttenberg. It would not be legally required, that is true. 



Mr. Morse. This amazes me. Whatever the reasons for it, it 

 seems to be rather loose to just through this device grant Woods Hole, 

 with no restrictions, Government money for procurement. 



One further question. Doctor. It relates to the testimony that Dr. 

 Fye, who is not here today, I understand, made at an earlier date. 

 I had some administrative responsibility as a layman and as a com- 

 mon lawyer for a research program, a multimillion dollar research 

 program, and I was astonished to see this statement which was just 

 brought to my attention, and I quote Dr. Fye : 



Creativity is essentially a personal and private process. The innovative re- 

 search vporker is keenly sensitive to his environment. Even though he has a 

 firm conviction that research will pay big dividends, he can be diverted quickly 

 to areas of low risk and small thinking if management shows more interest in 

 quick-fix improvements, rather than in free-wheeling endeavors which may add 

 greatly to the storehouse of human knowledge. This becomes increasingly 

 worse as management control is removed further and further from the research- 

 er's immediate domain. 



This, I speak with conviction when I urge you to eliminate section 8 from this 

 bill. This is a conviction shared, I believe, by all directors of oceanographic 

 establishments, and endorsed essentially universally by oceanographers. Where- 

 as, we know both systems can do work, we strongly support placing the responsi- 

 bility for research planning and the control by ownership within the hands of 

 the research workers themselves. 



I just do not see the relationship of that last clause. It is magnifi- 

 cent non sequitur and in all of my discussions with the National Acad- 

 emy of Science and National Research Council, that particular kind 

 of statement I have never heard or seen before. 



Mr. Gross. Will the gentleman yield ? 



Mr. Morse. I will, indeed. 



Mr. Gross. The chairman used the word "exotic" a little while ago. 

 It seems to me that is an exotic statement. 



Mr. Morse. I might say it was esoteric, Mr. Gross. It astounded 

 me that this was something that the scientific community thought was 

 essential to creativity in research. The ownership of the instruments 

 of research. 



Is that an attitude that is held commonly by the scientific community 

 engaged in creative research ? 



Dr. Robertson. I think broadly speaking what he probably is refer- 

 ring to is the feeling that you have control over the tools of your 

 trade. For example, you can imagine a case where restrictions would 

 be put on. I am doing an experiment. I want to make a change in 

 the equipment. Suddenly, it occurs to me that this belongs to the 

 Government, and I cannot modify it until I get in touch with some- 

 one, say, in Washington, who might be off on leave, to make it an ex- 

 treme case. This has kind of a shattering effect on his enthusiasm for 

 getting on with that particular job. It is better if he can use this 

 thing and modify it as necessary to do his job. I think that is what 

 he is referring to here. 



