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Mr. Gross. Would the gentleman yield ? 



Mr. Morse. I would, indeed. 



Mr. Gross. There is one sentence that intrigues me very much. 



Even though he — 



and I assume he refers to a scientist — 



has a firm conviction that research will pay big dividends, he can be diverted 

 quickly to areas of low risk and small thinking if management shows more inter- 

 est in quick-fix improvement rather than in freewheeling endeavors which may 

 add greatly to the storehouse of human knowledge. 



Someday when the snow is falling heavily, I would like somebody 

 to sit down and explain that sentence because I am not able to absorb 

 it. 



Mr. Miller. If there are no other questions, then I want to thank 

 you. 



I do not want you to feel now that you are before people who are 

 unfriendly to you. We are going to try and do a job for you. It is 

 going to be very hard to get some of these bills through Congress. 



Mr. KuTTENBERG. May I make this one observation ? 



Mr. Miller. Yes. 



Mr. Ruttenberg. Mr. Morse was speaking of the antidiscrimina- 

 tion clause. What I said was correct. I have been advised by Dr. 

 Lyman, though, that that clause is in the contract. 



Mr. Morse. The principle still has application. 



Mr. Ruttenberg. That is correct. 



Mr. Miller. Thank you very much. 



Dr. Benson. May I supplement the record when I said I will give 

 you the names of the advisory panels ? I have it here and I am going 

 to insert the complete list of all of the composition of the panels since 

 the time of the Earth Sciences program. 



Mr. Miller. Fine. 



Dr. Benson. And also on the question of panel members receiving 

 grants, it was decided very early within the composition of this panel 

 that unless exceptional circumstances came up, the panel would prefer 

 that its own members not submit proposals and there have only been 

 two that have actually been processed since 1953, when the program 

 started, and those were proposals that were received by the Founda- 

 tion before that man was a member of the panel. 



Mr. Miller. Fine. 



I want to say we will keep the record open for further insertions as 

 long as we can. 



Thank you very much, gentlemen. 



The committee stands adjourned subject to the call of the Chair. 



(Whereupon, at 12 :10 p.m., the subcommittee recessed, to reconvene 

 subject to the call of the Chair.) 



