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capability for use and operations on land to the environment of the sea. We need 

 to learn how to go out on the sea in mid- water and along the bottom with the 

 same facility as we do now to fly an airplane, drive a tractor or use an automo- 

 bile. We ought to have as an objective development of an engineering capability 

 that will break the interface between air and the water so that scientists and 

 technicians can operate in the oceans in a familiar way. We will never bring all 

 of the ocean's resources into our domain without this new engineering capability. 

 This I propose as an objective for sea- grant colleges that we might think about. 



Thank you. 



Claiborne Pell 



In my few remarks at this point, I will refer to the word oceanology. I 

 notice in my bill in a Freudian way, I never mentioned the word oceanography 

 which is something of a triumph in a bill on this subject. I had this Freudian 

 difficulty with this word, so I also did a little checking around after yesterday 

 and found that the word ology is perhaps fajr more applicable for what we're try- 

 ing to do, which means the study of, instead of graphy, which just means the map- 

 ping of. It seems to me the mapping of, the charting of, is only one phase of the 

 work we're doing, so I hope you will bear with me as we rechristen this seicnce 

 oceanology. 



In drawing up my bill, I'd like to put in a plug at this time for one of your 

 own community, George Beardsley, who is a graduate student and who did a good 

 deal of the technical research on it. We were in touch with the scientific com- 

 munity in trying to work out a good bill. 



I also would like to make it very clear to the whole group here that in our 

 concept we definitely visualize the use of these funds and the application of the 

 sea-grant college concept to colleges not necessarily on the ocean shores, but 

 on the Great Lakes, as well. There are certainly great advantages to the Great 

 Lakes area. Because it's a smaller scale model, they can develop and study 

 some of the phenomena naore economically and efficiently than you could in the 

 ocean as a whole. So for those of you who are from that part of the country, I 

 hope you will take an equal interest in this bill. And, because of my belief in the 

 importance of that area participating in this program some months back, I spe- 

 cifically mentioned the Great Lakes area in my bill. Also, another point which 

 came to mind in yesterday's discussion, is that the purpose is not the develop- 

 ment so much as the application of knowledge. The Lord knows that there are 

 more areas of ignorance than there are of knowledge in this whole field. But, 

 more important for us is the translation of this knowledge into practical applica- 

 tion. As I said yesterday, my job as a politician is the translation of ideas into 

 events and the job that we have here in this field is the translation of the limited 

 knowledge that we already have into actual practical application over and beyond 

 the development of more basic and original knowledge, I would like to comple- 

 ment the inter-governmental committee which under Mr. Abel's sponsorship, 

 and sparking, has done as excellent a job as it can with its very tenuous mandate 

 and without any direct controls. A coordinating committee is what we refer to 

 in government as a dotted line relationship; and those lines are very dotted, in- 

 deed. Eventually, there'll have tobeasolid, unbroken line relationship. 



I thought Mr. Eckles ideas exceptionally good and exceptionally well taken 

 and I would like to comment on a couple of his specific points. I'm not frozen 

 into the idea that the National Science Foundation must administer this Act. It 

 just seemed the logical agency to do it. If the National Science Foundation is 



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