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Dr. Bates. I respect them tremendously. Up mitil last June I have 

 been supported extensively by their efforts. 



I would like to simply answer this, Mr. Senator, by saying that I 

 think there is a logical place here for both of these groups. Senator 

 Pell'S bill is written, as I read it, with emphasis upon applied science 

 and engineering ; actually moving from our basic state of the art to the 

 extraction and use of the resources of the ocean. 



Consequently, there are certainly aspects of both the very funda- 

 mental oceanographic type of research that must be continued by the 

 National Science Foundation and should be done through the uni- 

 versities, but also the applied engineering research that relates in my 

 opinion more directly to a mission-oriented agency such as the De- 

 partment of the Interior. My point 



Senator Kennedy of Massachusetts. It certainly wouldn't preclude 

 the National Science Foundation from making certain arrangements 

 with Interior and I am sure that they would make such arrangements 

 affecting programs along the lines you describe. Yet in the brief ex- 

 perience I have had in Washington, where various programs are de- 

 centralized, we set up coordinating agencies and interagency coordinat- 

 ing committees. Therefore it does certainly concern me to see this 

 too much decentralized. 



Dr. Bates. I would like to point out that even since I came on deck 

 last June, the image of Interior is changing considerably. As you 

 know, we now have the Office of Water Resources Research which does 

 relate to 50 land-grant institutions plus Puerto Rico. We have the 

 Office of Saline Water which is largely contract-related to the uni- 

 versities. The new atmospheric water program of the Bureau of 

 Reclamation is involving seven western universities at the present time, 

 and Mr. McKernan here can tell you more specifically if you wish, the 

 extent to v\'liich his Bureau of Commercial Fisheries has been involved 

 in training programs, research at many places, including the uni- 

 ^ersities. So I think we have not only a long but accelerating ex- 

 perience with regard to the relation of Interior to university programs. 



Senator Kennedy of Massachusetts. If the money being appro- 

 priated now for research in oceanography is spread through a dozen 

 different agencies, how does the Interior Department have any oppor- 

 tunities to allocate funds for either this kind of development or any 

 kind of research ? 



Dr. Bates. Our total funding in the 1966 budget for oceanographic 

 work primarily related to the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries, the 

 Bureau of Sport Fisheries and Wildlife, the Geological Survey, and 

 the Bureau of Mines amounts to $19 million. 



Now except for the Na\^ which is, of course, well beyond this and 

 the National Science Foundation which is at the level as I recall of 

 about $43 million, this is the next highest expenditure among the Fed- 

 eral agencies, next highest allocation. 



Senator Kennedy of Massachusetts. Could you submit to the com- 

 mittee just a further breakdown on those funds? 



Dr. Bates. We would be very glad to. 



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