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would I like to see no objection, but I want to know if the administra- 

 tion supports the objectives of this bill and believes in it, and if they 

 do, what are they willing to allocate in their budget for its enactment. 



Mr. Abel. We have found, in preparing the national programs in 

 previous years, that it is rather difficult to try to predict what can be 

 allowed by the executive branch of the Government for one agency 

 or a combination of agencies owing to the miforeseeable factors that 

 creep m. 



For instance, we could not, ahead of time, predict the Vietnam 

 problem in terms of the money needed for other programs. 



Senator Pell. No, but in this particular case, if you want us to 

 leave out the 10 percent of rents and royalties, we are going to have to 

 put in a dollar figiu'e. I am asking your suggestion from the adminis- 

 tration's viewpoint, what dollar figure 



Mr. Abel. I think in this case, Senator, what we could do is ask the 

 Bureau of the Budget for an opinion. 



Senator Pell. I would be grateful and, as you know, we plan to 

 close out the record. I think, on May 12, so I would like a figure. 

 My assumption would be a figure equivalent to the rents and royalties 

 if we left the rents and royalties concept, then it would be a figure 

 equivalent to the amount because this is what all the witnesses have 

 been thinking in terms of, 10 percent of that amount, which would be 

 in the neighborhood of $15 million or $17 million. 



But, finally, how do you believe the funds should be allocated among 

 the different States ? You do believe, as you say in your testimony, 

 that the inland States should be included, but should they receive 

 proportionately the same allocations as seaboard or lake States? 



Captain Sxtder. This would be a function in addition to an ordi- 

 nary apportionment, what their program actually was, and what this 

 contribution would be to the national goal of exploiting the ocean._ 



I don't think you can answer that arbitrarily. If you did, I think 

 you wouldn't have a very good program 



Senator Pell. I must say I agree with you. I don't think it can be 

 decided like the basis for midshipmen for the Academy. 



Captain Snyder. No, sir. I don't think anyone had an intent in 

 that direction. The fact is that the sea is a national resource belong 

 to the whole country. Some method should be found as. for example, 

 the Navy is not limited as to its sailors and officers — they do not come 

 from just the coastal States. 



Senator Pell. I think we really must depend, as you say, on the 

 degree of interest and the desirability of the individual States. 



Are there any further points that either you. Captain Snyder, or Mr. 

 J^\)q[ — and I would like to pay tribute here to the work Mr. Abel has 

 been doing in helping pull together the work of the ICO — would like 

 to submit for the record? 



If there are any further thoughts you have, the record will be open 

 to ]May 12 so they can be inserted, 



Mr." Abel. Thank you, Senator. Not at this time, but we will ap- 

 proach the Bureau of the Budget. 



Senator Peli.. Yes. My main objective is to get this bill passed, 

 the basic concept passed. I think it will carry itself once it is passed. 

 It is obviously in the national interest, both from a civilian and eco- 

 nomic and defense viewpoint. So we will adjust the various portions 

 of the bill in order to secure the passage of the basic concept of it, 



