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fish, for example. But it seems to me that the Federal Government 

 has so preempted the tax dollar that it is becoming almost impossible 

 for the States to match the Federal Government's ability in this re- 

 spect. Inasmuch as this is a national resoui'ce which needs exploi- 

 tation, I would tend to minimize the role of the States in the financing 

 of it. The fact that States are unable to do what might historically 

 have been their share in this respect, is an argument I would tend to 

 use to support Mr. Heller's recent suggestion to revert Federal re- 

 sources to the States. Thus they could, once again, help in providing 

 facilities which we need at the State level. 



But I doubt that I would feel that the States could do as much as 

 the Federal Government can. We are doing all that we can to pro- 

 vide secondary school education at the local level and we still need 

 a lot of Federal help. 



Senator Pell. I would be inclined to agree with you. 



I would like to revert to Captain Snyder and Mr. Abel, who are 

 still with us, and ask if they think from the executive branch's view- 

 point the contribution rendered by the States could be considered to be 

 in kind. The very fact that it will be the existing institutions that 

 are giving the backup, providing the medium through which these 

 programs would be enacted, then I see very real problems if you try 

 to tie it into a 90-10 or some sore of arithmetical formula. 



Do you think this would be possible in acceptance to the executive 

 branch ? 



Captain Snyder. That was only a suggestion on the part of ICO. 

 That was not a position of the executive branch, condition, or anything 

 of that sort. 



Senator Pell. In other words, if we met some of the other sugges- 

 tions of the executive branch, do you think from the viewpoint of the 

 Bureau of the Budget, that the contribution could be, as I say, in kind, 

 somewhat as under the poverty program, where the contribution is 

 the land and the buildings that the city has, and that it would not 

 require financial contributions from the States? 



Captain Snyder. You certainly have a better feel for this than any 

 of us in the ICO. 



Senator Pell. I just see a very real problem if we start enacting 

 the idea of a mathematical formula for the first time in NSF-type op- 

 erations, and with respect to a matter of national interest of this sort. 

 I was wondering on the strength of your position if you felt this might 

 be an acceptable alternative. 



Captain Snyder. This was just a suggestion. It is not a position, 

 as such. 



Senator Pell. Right. Thank you very much. 



Thank you very much. Congressman Keith. 



Senator Pell. J^ow, we have the father of this Avhole project, the 

 intellectnal father and the actual father, who invented the term "sea 

 grant college" and a man who made the launching speech in Newport, 

 li.L, last fall on tliis and galvanized the audience, and I urn looking 

 forward to being galvanized again by him, 



I hope he has just about the same speech as he had then. I hope 

 also he has an opportunity to see some of my colleagues, wdiile he 

 is in Washington, and to sell them on his idea, as well. 



It is a great honor and pleasure to have with us Dean Spilhaus of the 

 Institute of Technology of the TTniversity of Minnesota. 



