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If you will permit me, in closing, to say that an idea such as mine 

 would simply wither and die if it had not been for the support and 

 interest that was afforded me from all over the United States. Par- 

 ticularly, I want to pay my respects to the many Senators and Con- 

 gressmen, many besides Senator Pell. 



Thank you. 



Senator Pell. Thank you very much. Dean Spilhaus. 



There are a couple of specifics about which I would be interested in 

 your reaction. 



First, with regard to the revenue. Do you think that our original 

 thought in the bill of tying it in with rents and royalties could be 

 foregone in exchange for a direct authorization? Do you have any 

 thoughts on that ? 



Dr. Spilhaus. Yes, sir. I think that there are many ways, and 

 these are two which have been discussed, to finance the beginnings of 

 this concept, and I believe any way in which we can start the concept 

 would be desirable, and there are others in Government who know 

 best which way is most feasible. 



For my money, which it is partly, I would be happy to see either 

 way, because I think the birth and the beginning of the concept is more 

 important than really worrying about the details. "We must get the 

 bill sold, the authorization to focus our eyes on the exploitation of the 

 sea, the national commitment, and the commitment of the institutions 

 toward this great goal. Once we have that, I am perfectly sure the 

 money will come. 



Senator Pell. I would agree with you. 



Now, with regard to this idea of matching funds which was brought 

 up by one of the witnesses yesterday and brought up by the adminis- 

 tration today as a suggestion, what is your thought on that? You 

 mentioned it in your testimony already, in your ad libbing statements ; 

 I was wondering if you would enlarge on it. 



Dr. Spllhaus. I believe in the idea of matching funds, the basic 

 idea being that if you ask for a matching contribution, it means that 

 the person or State or institution receiving the funds must indicate its 

 need for them by putting up some of its own resources. 



On the other hand, matching funds often are not parallel with the 

 commitment. Some wealthy institutions might be able to find the 

 matching funds while some institutions in poorer circumstances, with 

 a far deeper and greater commitment to do the job, might be pre- 

 vented from receiving the matching funds. 



It was for this reason that I thought we ought to keep the concept 

 of matching but put it on a basis of matching by the turning of facili- 

 ties, the turning of their programs, toward our objectives, the use of 

 their existing funds into which the States have money, rather than to 

 demand a quid pro quo of new funds. 



Senator Pell. I would agree with you in that view. 



Another question here is with regard to the administering agency. 

 I was developing the thought that l^ecause of the National Science 

 Foundation's interest in pure science and basic research, and also its 

 custom of awarding funds on an individual grant basis, that it miglit 

 be best to put this in the Smithsonian, with the understanding that it 

 would go off to another agency eventually, or stay there, depending on 

 the decision of this self -liquidating council that is to be set up. 



