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I think in the end vre would all like to see something like the De- 

 partment of the Ocean in the Federal Government. 



Senator Pell. I would agree with you in your thought here because 

 if we put a little program like this into the maw of the NSF, it could 

 get a little lost. So perhaps another way of getting around this 

 is the idea of an advisory group or, as the minority suggested, a group 

 that might report to the Congress once a year, that would keep the 

 personality and the individual purpose of this program separate from 

 the general purpose of the NSF. 



Dr. Potter. I think the major concern that I would hare is the 

 necessity for creating a new program or creating within the institu- 

 tions services that don't now exist. The Science Foundation largely 

 depends upon the fact that the science which they are funding does 

 exist within the institutions. Thus, NSF can accept a passive role. 



The sea grant college administration has to pursue an active role to 

 create the program. 



Senator Pell. Do you have any thoughts with regard to the match- 

 ing formula ? 



Dr. Potter. Only to echo Dean Spilhaus, that some matching in 

 kind is required to show good faith on the part of the participating 

 institutions. All the arguments that he presented for not having 

 a set dollar formula I think are valid. 



Senator Pell. Thank you very much, Dr. Potter. You also had a 

 long trip to come here and I thank you very much indeed. Your 

 testimony was very sharp and very good. 



Now our next witness is Dr. Eobert A. Eagotzkie of the Department 

 of Meteorology of the University of Wisconsin. And he is coming 

 here at the suggestion of Senator Nelson from Wisconsin who regrets 

 that he, too, could not be with us here this morning and wishes to greet 

 you, and I greet you in his name. 



Dr. Eagotzkie, will you proceed as you will. 



STATEMENT OE DR. ROBERT A. RAGOTZKIE, DEPARTMENT OF 

 METEOROLOGY, UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN, MADISON, WIS. 



Dr. Eagotzkie. Thank you very much, Senator Pell. I am very 

 honored to be invited to these hearings. 



I have submitted a copy of my statement and I will summarize that 

 statement now. 



The University of Wisconsin is strongly in favor of the sea grant 

 college program. I speak for the administration of the University 

 of Wisconsin in supporting this bill. We endorse Dean Spilhaus' 

 imaginative idea to advance the frontiers of marine science and to 

 translate the new knowledge into useful information for practical 

 application in the use and preservation of marine resources. We went 

 on record to this effect over a year ago in the March 19, 1965, issue of 

 the AAAS journal. Science. At the Newport conference in October 

 1965 the concept and many of its aspects ^Yere thoroughly discussed by 

 representatives of government, universities, and industry. Tliere is 

 no need to repeat what was so forcefully said at that conference by 

 Dean Spilhaus, Senator Pell, Dr. Carlson of NSF, and others. 



Therefore, I have selected three points which I believe need further 

 emphasis. 



