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available and used in Montana or Vermont as it would be by tlie 

 cstuarine States. 



Dr. RouNSEFELL. I feel that each sea grant college should develop 

 its own program in the same manner as is done Ijy the land-grant 

 colleges. Some of them went into entomology, some livestock rais- 

 ing, some agricultural engineering. They had a diversified program. 

 I think this was the strength of the program. I don't think they 

 should all do the same thing. 



For instance, in Alabama we have no desire at all to compete with 

 deep-sea oceanographic institutions already established, but we do 

 have a great need to work on our estimates. 



Senator Pell. I wonder if your thoughts might be somewhat akin 

 to the Arts and Humanities Foundation bill, of which I was the floor 

 manager at the last Congress, where a certain minimum was given 

 to each State provided they had a council and an interest, and then 

 over and beyond that minimum, it was allocated by the Federal Gov- 

 ernment on the basis of excellence in competition that that particular 

 State offered. 



Dr. RouNSEFELL. I agree, sir, there will have to be some kind of a 

 jcompromise and I think this is— — 



Senator Pell. With a provision of that sort you would find the bill 

 acceptable. 



Dr. RouNSEFELL. Yes, sir. 



Senator Pell. Now, another question. I am not saying we can do 

 that but I want to get your thinking. Another question here is that 

 you think the Department of Interior should administer the act as 

 opposed to the National Science Foundation. If it is understood, 

 however, that it will be doing it basically on a temporary basis until 

 the agency set up to handle oceanography in the Nation comes into 

 being and helps make a decision on this, would that be equally accept- 

 able to you ? 



Dr. RouNSBFELL. I am not strong on this particular point. The In- 

 terior Department has desalination, fisheries, minerals, and submerged 

 lands now. They have competent staffs in these fields and they might 

 be able to give the program a little better start than an organization 

 which has been in the granting-of -money business and not in the actual 

 staffing business. Interior has the administrative setup right now. 



Senator Pell. What would you tliink of the Smithsonian Institu- 

 tion as the original agency ? 



Dr. RouNSEFELL. Well, I thought from the talk given yesterday that 

 their interest was largely in classification of organisms rather than in 

 administering a bill. 



Senator Pell. I think that came out in the testimony of their own 

 witness. 



Those are the two main points. Were there any other specific points 

 I failed to catch in the written testimony or what you say today ? 



Dr. RouNSEFELL, No. I think this covers it very well. 



Senator Pell. Those are the two points basically. If those two 

 points were met, you would find yourself agreeable ? 



Dr. RouNSEFELL. Yes, I w^ould. 



Senator Pell. As far as the Interior Department administering it, 

 that would not seem to be in the cards, from the bulk of the testimony 

 that has come in so far. 



